The Windows Movie Maker Challenge.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed May 19, 2004 10:02 pm

sayde wrote:Yeah. I hurts to know the truth sometimes.

But it's ok. I guess this means I'll just have to get REALLY REALLY good with WMM to compete in these contests. It might even mean I'll have to become the best at using WMM. Who knows. But it would be nice to say I at least won second place in an AMV contest using only windows movie maker. 8)

The point of this contest - despite what some people seem to think - isn't to inflate egos or pinpoint the superstars. It's to show that the program you use doesn't matter. I'm sure many people who entered worked very hard to spice up their vids to the point where it doesn't look like they could have made them in wmm. But if you check con results on average, there are many 'simple' videos that win - ones that could have been done in windows movie maker 1.0 (forget 2.0). Work on the concept first, worry about the eye candy second. And if all you care about is having a name, then attach yourself to an effect-knowing creator and pump him for tips on using Premiere and After Effects - or nab yourself a paint program and VirtualDub and do your own additions. Wmm only limits you as much as you let it - it's just a matter of what you're aiming for. Few people using Premiere *only* use Premiere, and despite the rules in this contest, the same is true for wmm users. Don't let anyone tell you you're out of luck because you missed what some seem to see as an 'easy win.' It's that sort of outlook that holds people under. Ignore it and do what you enjoy - if you enjoy the limelight, go see what works in the top 10 list and copycat it. If you enjoy making vids, get yourself a solid concept and chances are others will enjoy it as well.

This sort of contest won't get you a 'name'. There aren't enough 'judges' watching it. What you need is a con where many people will see your video up close. That's the sort of thing that creates a name - being announced before the hardcore amv'rs who see contests as the final 'in' of editing. Look around and notice the new members who come by just to find a certain video he or she happened to see at a con. I doubt you'll find the judges of this contest coming around to spread your fame, even if you had entered and won. You didn't miss out on anything except the chance to participate in a rather unique (and somewhat private) compilation of videos using a single editing program - and free dvds for the winners, of course. ^.^

So don't feel bad and don't let anyone 'rip you a new one.' Figure out what you're doing this for and go for it. Nothing else matters.

kain2983 · Post by **kain2983** » Wed May 19, 2004 10:04 pm

You can still compete in contest if you only use WMM
it is not the special effects that make a good video they just help out a lot.

sayde · Post by **sayde** » Thu May 20, 2004 5:36 am

I appreciate the advice. I really do. I would just like to make caler of one thing first. My whole statement of how it would be nice to get second place in a contest using only windows movie maker was'nt to create a name for myself or to be popular on this site but rather to be looked at as a self accomplishment. Nothing more. Honestly. But it's nice to know that you don't HAVE to be using an expensive program to compete in an AMV contest. I like what you said about WMM only limiting you as much as you let it.

I'll remember what you posted Arigatomyna. That was some good advice.

J.Alana · Post by **J.Alana** » Thu May 20, 2004 9:59 am

Arigatomyna wrote:
sayde wrote:Yeah. I hurts to know the truth sometimes.

But it's ok. I guess this means I'll just have to get REALLY REALLY good with WMM to compete in these contests. It might even mean I'll have to become the best at using WMM. Who knows. But it would be nice to say I at least won second place in an AMV contest using only windows movie maker. 8)
The point of this contest - despite what some people seem to think - isn't to inflate egos or pinpoint the superstars. It's to show that the program you use doesn't matter. I'm sure many people who entered worked very hard to spice up their vids to the point where it doesn't look like they could have made them in wmm. .

I can't agrree with you more. You are a video creator that I respect a lot. Not because you use flashy effects but because you know that you have control over your program and you use it well. Your right wmm1 can produce great videos too. I used wmm for two years solid and some videos that people say are my best all time videos "aka Lose Yourself" all over Kazaa were videos conceived and produced with moviemaker. It doesn't matter what you use to make a video, what matters is that you know how that vid is going to be start to finish BEFORE it hits the timelline. This contest is great because it is showing that you don't have to use AE or Premiere to make a great video.. You just need a little imagination, a little time, some patience and an idea.

The larger contests like AnimeNext showcase vids by the so-called pro's but what you don't realize is that there is room in that contest for everybody. In fact, right now my studio J&P Productions is hosting a noob tourny soon and it will be only for noobs no pro's. Why? Because I want to see what the next gerneation of vid makesrs can yield and if possible, I want to be able to pass on what I have learned.

Yeah you can get an inflated ego easily from doing this because all of sudden to the internet community your a celebrity. Not the kind of celebrity that makes millions a year (I wish.) but the kind that wins hearts and minds. The trick is to realize that you arent a cut above everyone else and that there is always somebody better so to stay in line, you just have to be the best you can be for yourself. The fans will fall in line and respect you for that.

Cheers!

kain2983 · Post by **kain2983** » Thu May 20, 2004 10:47 am

Well said

OtakuForLife · Post by **OtakuForLife** » Thu May 20, 2004 11:32 am

This has suddenly become a very thought provoking thread.
Which is pretty rar in general, here's my problem with these
lines of reasoning, how do you determine a noob or a pro?
For example, you said your contest would be for noobs do I count?
What if somone just created a new accounf like my firend VOR
would he become a noob agian, who just makes good videos.
These are the sorta questions that are left to linger in mind

J.Alana · Post by **J.Alana** » Thu May 20, 2004 11:42 am

OtakuForLife wrote: how do you determine a noob or a pro?
For example, you said your contest would be for noobs do I count?
These are the sorta questions that are left to linger in mind

Okay that deseves an explanation. First up I have to say that the word "noob" I feel is derogatory but it actually comes from a sarcastic definition meaning that a typical noob is to describe a vid creator who just bursts onto the scene, thinks he's the shit, but his videos are shit and he's got a great deal to learn. (That's actually my interpetation of a noob

Yet sometimes I think people are called noobs unfairly and thats why this idea came about.

This idea (The Noob Tourny) came about from one of my crew members SSJ4 Nightmare because while there are those out there who make one vid and all of a sudden proclaim "I AM GOD. KISS MY ASS. MY VIDS ROCK!." there are those who start out and are learning, and occaisioanlly are bashed because they left a sub in or an orphan frame and unfortunately are new so are dubbed "noobs" whether they like it or not.

In essence, whether you have been doing this for ten years, four years or one year, you are always learning. You never stop for a sec. So, Nightmare thought what if we gave a contest specifically to beginners to showcase their stuff and show us what they are made of. This contest would only be for vid creators who have under five vids out in circulation and have been a vid creator for less then a year. This does not apply to a vid creator that has been out there for five years either on Kazaa or their own site and all of a sudden hits the org, that does not mean you are a noob. What makes you a noob is that you are new to the scene "the amv community" and you are trying to learn so you can become recognized.

This contest is still in the works as we are deciding the rules & regulations. I will announce it soon to the org. It will be during the summer when the "noobs" are out of school or have more time on their hands.

I will give out more information as it comes to me and I will post it both on my web site and also on the org.

Yok/0 · Post by **Yok/0** » Thu May 20, 2004 12:21 pm

I remembered when i was a n00b but i wasn't the one who gloated my vids kicked ass. I always practiced before i was gonna premier something big. Infact Jen u know the story as well about me.

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Ne ways I'm happy to announce that AMVFD will premier on a-m-v.org. U guys can see it. It's very funny to watch. This project also was Sponsored By Jen. Which I begged and Cried like a girl for her to be in amvfd. So She had her mic and hosted amvfd for me. Along with My funny skits and her advice to the paduwons out there. This was a fun project for me and Jen.

dongster138 · Post by **dongster138** » Thu May 20, 2004 12:50 pm

that excites me, the idea of a rookie tourney is really exciting. cuz all the top 10% vids are old, OLD! but whatever, i'd really like to know when this tourney is, for i hope i'm ok to register in the tourney. i have an Ace up my sleave i'm working on.

DO keep us updated on the rookie tourney!

Thanks!!!

J.Alana · Post by **J.Alana** » Thu May 20, 2004 12:55 pm

You have my word.

the news on the Noob Tourny will be on the org, my website, winmx and irc.

As soon as we have rules & regs in place and judges we will annouce.

First up, let's get through Castor's WMM Challenge.

I'm excited.

No matter how many tournies I enter. I'm always excited when a tourny goes down.