DragonCon 2006

Announcement & discussion of Anime Music Video contests
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Post by MCWagner » Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:46 pm

Wow... where to start.

1) First off, Nimthiriel, we really are trying to help. People are pointing out pitfalls that a lot of us have fallen for in the past. Please don't see any of this as an attack. However, you do need to know a bit of history of D*C and anime. A long, long time ago (jeez... uh... 11 years? 12?) a local group called "Anime X" was in charge of the anime rooms. The rooms at D*C were really, really cool, huge, and served as the real origin of stuff like the AWA AMV contest and Anime Hell. Unfortunately, as D*C got bigger and bigger, anime got shoved further and further down their list of priorites, and the anime room got smaller with every year. "Anime X" left and started AWA, after handing the running of the D*C anime room off to one of their directors. About 50% of the current AWA directors have, at one time or another, had to run the D*C anime room, and they've ALL come away from it bitter at the convention.

This is why D*C is not well liked by the Atlanta anime community. It's totally not fair to you, as the newcomer, but you need to know this background is why that attitude exists. The anime room at D*C has been bounced from group to group since Anime X left, and has been all over the place in quality since.

2) You need to know that the vast majority of the videos you are going to recieve will be digital. A lot of creators these days don't even have the ability to output to VHS.

This means that running an AMV contest is INTENSELY TECHNICAL. If your actual, real job isn't working with computers, I highly, highly suggest that you get an assistant who's is, and who is VERY reliable.

The current descriptions you've got up on the webpage for technical requirements are WAY too thin. Get together with a tech expert, check out the video output and computer processors you've got available to you, and figure out exactly what you can and can't play. Post that. Even with that, you will still get people sending in videos with the weirdest format incompatibilities you've ever seen, but if you're very specific about your system, you'll get less of those. I cannot stress enough how important this is.

3) Priorities. The order of importance you should be thinking about is
a) Make sure you can physically conduct an AMV contest. Find out now about the equipment you need, the codecs you can play, and the reliability of your machines. PRE-VIEW ALL ENTRIES ON THE SYSTEM YOU'LL BE SCREENING ON. I can't tell you the number of times a video that worked fine on our sample system came out as total garbage/absent audio/de-interlaced/washed out at the convention. This goes hand-in-hand with the "give technical requirements." Nothing else matters if you can't actually show the videos.
b) Organization. Make sure you have time/structure to show what you want to show when it'll be good for everyone to see. A handful of contests with good tech just collapsed under their own weight by being really disorganized. Make up clear playlists, with wiggle room for whe smoke starts coming out of the projector. Work out who is judging & how (this always takes longer than you'd think) & double check your final lists.
c) Sufficient entries. Worry about "getting enough entries" ONLY after taking care of a) and b). Even if you only get a handful of entries on this first year, being well organized and competent will get you a good reputation and make it easier to get more the next year. Going out and pimping for lots of videos only to have the contest collapse on you 'cause you get too many is the fastest way to breed bad blood among AMVers.

4) Content. This is less trouble than you might think. The key is to say in the rules a casual "keep it clean, folks" and say that videos that are especially violent or adult-themed may be excluded from the contest at the director's discretion. Put up a contact e-mail and say that they should contact you if they have specific questions about a video's content. Everyone will get the idea if you say this, and the only people who won't heed it are just troublemakers. The political comment, however, is just asking for trouble. In my years of running a contest, I've only ever encountered one video that was explicitly political & pissed me off. Fortunately, it was also terrible.

5) It is a good idea to announce the contest's existance early. This makes people aware of it and starts them thinking about entering. It's a bad idea, however, to put up incomplete rules early, because then people remember the wrong rules.

6) Prizes & entry fees. AMVers get real nervous about money changing hands, and that nervousness has recently been reinforced. It may be out of your hands, but I'd strongly suggest dropping the entry fee. No one else has successfully held an AMV contest with an entry fee & the stigma attached to it is more damaging than the loss of the $300 or so it might possibly bring in. If you have any budget at all, invest a little of it into plastic awards with engraved plaqes or something. There's a couple of good, cheap places around Atlanta to order them from, so long as you give lots of notice. (PM me if you want details.)

7) You've DRASTICALLY over-estimated the number of videos you can show in a 2.5 hour block.
dokool wrote:
Nimthiriel wrote:When you consider that the majority of animation music video creators are intelligent people we felt that they are all capable of following the format for the opening that we are going to provide for them to follow. By not trusting our contestants to follow the format we are in effect doing as you say and implying that they are idiots.
Wow, you totally have it wrong. A uniform set of credits is vital to an AMV contest, because it makes sure that all videos have clear and simple information about them presented just like every other video in the contest, giving them all equal footing and letting the videos speak for themselves as opposed to the bumpers. If different people use different fonts, colors, backgrounds, <i>animated</i> bumpers, etc, it creates a discrepency that will inevitably favor one video over an other. Take the hint from the fact that just about every AMV Contest Coordinator does his own set of bumpers for the contest and do them yourself.
This is a luxury, and should be further down the list of priorities. If you have to, resign yourself to reading the video info aloud before each vid is shown, if the 2 days spent making titles is needed for something more essential. However, I would NOT suggest asking the people submitting to make your title cards for you. Not only does that heap more weird-ass tech problems on you, it's asking the submitters to do your work for you.

More work for you: Avoid like the chicken pox
More work for contestants: Avoid like bubonic plauge.

So I'd suggest dropping the "make your own titles" suggestion and try to do it yourself, but be ready to drop it if you don't have the resources.
dokool wrote:As far as the "suggestion" issue - "Please try to remove watermarks (ie: company logos) from the videos you chose to use. They are distracting." That shouldn't be a suggestion, that should be a requirement with instant disqualification, as is true in other AMV contests.
All this will do is limit your entries recieved, and by practically none at that. Only the newcomers still use watermarked video, and they need a place to get started showing their vids. Frankly, I've though the "instant disqual" on this is petty and elitist and I've never instituted it myself. I think your "suggestion" is fine.
dokool wrote:How many AMVs have you watched? How long have you been watching them? How many contests have you watched? These are all things I'm curious about, given that you had to "research" AMV contests to make the rules for yours.
No need to be rude, dokool...
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Post by MCWagner » Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:01 pm

Nimthiriel:
Mistake: #1 You're getting pissy. Dokool is being a jerk, but he's right. Asking contestants to do your work for you is a fast way to cut down on potential contestants.

Submitting to your contest should be as easy as an AMVer 1)burning their vid to a disc 2) filling out a sheet with details and 3) mailing it all to you. Anything that makes it more complicated than that (and adding a 5-sec intro with approved titles is VERY complicated) is asking for trouble. People are essentially lazy, you have to cater to that.

Mistake #2: Asking people to suffer through current difficulties for the sake of the contest. There are a LOT of AMV contests out there, including a very big one very near you. It's up to you to work things out so people will send their vid to yours instead of someone else's. AMV contests are not easy things to run on your end, but there's a lot of experienced individuals out there now, so you're not going to get a lot of sympathy over ignored organizational advice from people who've run these before.

Remember, public face is very important. Try to appear confident and accomodating in this forum, since these are essentially the people you're asking to send you vids. Don't get defensive, especially this early in the game.
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Post by Nimthiriel » Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:34 pm

I apologize for being rude. I was trying very hard not to be rude and no excuse I can come up with is adequate justification. I should be a professional since I am trying to be the face in this contest, so to speak. :P (see the smile)

I really do appreciate all the advice and I'm trying very hard to get things changed with the director because I really do agree with your suggestions.

I am going to go through the rules and do what I can to refine them and I swear the political statement comment is gone. We have also opened up the contest to any AMV be it old or new. I have been going back and forth with the director about the fee and it has been changed as much as possible until the director talks to Pat Henry on Saturday. I will keep everyone updated.

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Post by dokool » Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:38 pm

MCWagner wrote:
dokool wrote:How many AMVs have you watched? How long have you been watching them? How many contests have you watched? These are all things I'm curious about, given that you had to "research" AMV contests to make the rules for yours.
No need to be rude, dokool...
Forgive me for the brashness, but having recently finished suffering the slings and arrows of running my own contest, I'm slightly upset at seeing an AMV contest announced that seems to not think very highly of the editors, especially given how much work they put into the product.

I know that running an AMV Contest is nothing to scoff at either (spending three straight days trying - and failing - to create an authored contest DVD and resorting to running it off a WMP playlist certainly hammered that point home), but I've always been of the train of thought that AMV Contest Directors should have a decent knowledge of (and relationship with) the community. I certainly wish <b>Nimthiriel</b> luck in accomplishing this.

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Post by Nimthiriel » Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:59 pm

It isn't that I don't care. I'm trying very hard and I have been making as many of the changes that everyone has suggested that I can make because I really do appreciate the feedback. I was given certain guidelines to make the rules and I was told "do research". I am fighting for you guys.

I will admit the infamous political statement was all my doing because I am so tired of anything political due to this war but you guys were right and I removed the comment.

I have no doubt that editors put a lot of work into the AMV's and I throughly enjoy watching them but I'm working for you guys as hard as I can and I will continue to do what I can.

Don't worry I have never been unable to play a file I've set my mind on playing but worst case scenerio we will contact you to get a replacement or additional information.

Regarding the fee (dirty word): In the event that we are unable to remove the fee, all the money should be collected by June 30, 2006 and we will have 2 months to find the best damn prizes the fee can buy for the winners.
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Post by MCWagner » Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:08 pm

dokool wrote: Forgive me for the brashness, but having recently finished suffering the slings and arrows of running my own contest, I'm slightly upset at seeing an AMV contest announced that seems to not think very highly of the editors, especially given how much work they put into the product.

I know that running an AMV Contest is nothing to scoff at either (spending three straight days trying - and failing - to create an authored contest DVD and resorting to running it off a WMP playlist certainly hammered that point home), but I've always been of the train of thought that AMV Contest Directors should have a decent knowledge of (and relationship with) the community. I certainly wish <b>Nimthiriel</b> luck in accomplishing this.
Everyone's got to start somewhere. I know you're trying to impress the seriousness of various problems, I think it just came off badly. I can certainly sympathize with the authoring problems... heh, last AWA the SVHS master copies were discovered to be COMPLETELY SCREWED one HOUR before the contest screening. Had to jury-rig a computer link-in with a set playlist in the hour o' panic that followed.

I really think this is more a matter of appearances and being unaware of what is and isn't hard and what is and isn't a problem than real disrespect.
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Post by dokool » Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:39 pm

MCWagner wrote:Everyone's got to start somewhere. I know you're trying to impress the seriousness of various problems, I think it just came off badly. I can certainly sympathize with the authoring problems... heh, last AWA the SVHS master copies were discovered to be COMPLETELY SCREWED one HOUR before the contest screening. Had to jury-rig a computer link-in with a set playlist in the hour o' panic that followed.
We had DVD-Rs that worked the night before during sound checks, and failed or started skipping during the regular screenings - I was busy running my computer from one side of the building to the other for the control room at one point, by the time I'd gotten their they fixed the problem.

Between that and the problems they had queueing VHS tapes, anything not professionally authored (i.e. pressed) has been banned from our venue, so we're switching to computers next year :wink:

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Post by Nimthiriel » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:19 pm

I have a question.

I'm revamping the rules and one thing I don't understand is why framerate important. I notice not all contests have this requirement such as Anime Evolution.

I'm including at bitrate rule because that is a realy good idea as well as a resolution requirement. Both things I did not take into consideration.

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Post by dokool » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:27 pm

Nimthiriel wrote:I have a question.

I'm revamping the rules and one thing I don't understand is why framerate important. I notice not all contests have this requirement such as Anime Evolution.
Framerate is most important for when the contest is being authored onto a DVD - NTSC is either 23.976fps (progressive) or 29.97fps (interlaced). If you're running it off a computer you have a bit more leeway (but watch the video first!), but for DVDs it's crucial. At the last minute I had to deal with converting a couple videos from PAL. Now *that* was fun...

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Post by Nimthiriel » Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:40 pm

Well the director logged in onto this site to see how the contest was going over and I will be making some changes. Until then the rules will be not be posted.

Thank you for your patience.

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