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Re: KATSUCON 20 AMV Showdown...FINALISTS!

Post by Squancho » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:00 am

Hawkman324 wrote:Is there anything the editors can do? I don't want to complain at you as you seem to have the same viewpoint as most editors, but can we contact the con chair or someone else to politely express our thoughts on it? I'm surprised people don't wave that liability to blame Katsucon with their badge sign-up. That or the ability to label certain panels 13+ might be a better system.
We have feedback panels and there's always Facebook (which I know they read).
Contacting the con chair directly might not be a good idea since that position is changing hands at the end of this con.
No convention can completely control what anyone does or sees when they enter the event so a waiver of the sort you're talking about is a sketchy proposition.
It's the same as saying, "You just might see some objectionable things during this event, some of which might trigger certain unwanted emotions or reactions, so we need you to agree that we won't be held liable."
That's a sure way for parents to not send their young teenage kids to these things, chaperoned or not.
We also can't account for emotional or mental disorders which is another can of worms altogether.

Anyway...we do exercise a rating system but for us to drop our rating to PG-13 would mean checking ID at the door, holding late screenings (possibly limited to one night since there's not enough time between Saturday night and Sunday morning to count votes, construct the award show, etc, never mind the attending editors are leaving and the majority of our audience is busy checking out).

As awareness of our presence grows, so does the exposure as well as the risk of the wrong person catching us at the wrong time and mucking things up for everyone.
I do NOT envy the con chair position at all.
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Re: KATSUCON 20 AMV Showdown...FINALISTS!

Post by Studio Hawk » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:04 am

It's certainly a complicated issue... I'll think on it and I hope the editors will discuss it more at the convention as well.

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Re: KATSUCON 20 AMV Showdown...FINALISTS!

Post by l33tmeatwad » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:10 am

Hawkman324 wrote:Is there anything the editors can do? I don't want to complain at you as you seem to have the same viewpoint as most editors, but can we contact the con chair or someone else to politely express our thoughts on it? I'm surprised people don't wave that liability to blame Katsucon with their badge sign-up. That or the ability to label certain panels 13+ might be a better system.
IMO a boycott is the best way to get the point across. Would suck for the contest organizer, but if he's not willing to fight for quality over censorship it may be the only way we can help him build a case against this kind of thing. To be honest it's already been too strict for years, one of my videos, Rough Love, was cut one year because the song says "mangina"...

If a contest as large as Otakon can show my Evangelion comedy videos, then growth of the con is no excuse for forcing stricter content rules.
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Re: KATSUCON 20 AMV Showdown...FINALISTS!

Post by Squancho » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:18 am

l33tmeatwad wrote:
Hawkman324 wrote:Is there anything the editors can do? I don't want to complain at you as you seem to have the same viewpoint as most editors, but can we contact the con chair or someone else to politely express our thoughts on it? I'm surprised people don't wave that liability to blame Katsucon with their badge sign-up. That or the ability to label certain panels 13+ might be a better system.
IMO a boycott is the best way to get the point across. Would suck for the contest organizer, but if he's not willing to fight for quality over censorship it may be the only way we can help him build a case against this kind of thing. To be honest it's already been too strict for years, one of my videos, Rough Love, was cut one year because the song says "mangina"...
I can only fight so much before the people on the chain above me decide they're gonna replace me with someone who won't resist at all, which is partially how it went down at Anime Mid Atlantic.
I fought to the furthest extent of reason but their word is law and they're not backing down.
The most effective way to make your opinions and views known is by going to the con web site, Facebook page, Twitter, whatever is available.
I've explained this whole thing to death by now.
The con sets the standard, whether we like it or not, and we can only get away with so much before we're finally pulled aside and put in time-out...
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Re: KATSUCON 20 AMV Showdown...FINALISTS!

Post by l33tmeatwad » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:27 am

Deuce Loosely wrote:
l33tmeatwad wrote:
Hawkman324 wrote:Is there anything the editors can do? I don't want to complain at you as you seem to have the same viewpoint as most editors, but can we contact the con chair or someone else to politely express our thoughts on it? I'm surprised people don't wave that liability to blame Katsucon with their badge sign-up. That or the ability to label certain panels 13+ might be a better system.
IMO a boycott is the best way to get the point across. Would suck for the contest organizer, but if he's not willing to fight for quality over censorship it may be the only way we can help him build a case against this kind of thing. To be honest it's already been too strict for years, one of my videos, Rough Love, was cut one year because the song says "mangina"...
I can only fight so much before the people on the chain above me decide they're gonna replace me with someone who won't resist at all, which is partially how it went down at Anime Mid Atlantic.
I fought to the furthest extent of reason but their word is law and they're not backing down.
The most effective way to make your opinions and views known is by going to the con web site, Facebook page, Twitter, whatever is available.
I've explained this whole thing to death by now.
The con sets the standard, whether we like it or not, and we can only get away with so much before we're finally pulled aside and put in time-out...
Then let them. If the community sees a long running organizer quit our get let go over censorship, I feel like most will not support that contest until it is fixed. If you don't stand your ground people will walk all over you.
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Re: KATSUCON 20 AMV Showdown...FINALISTS!

Post by BasharOfTheAges » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:31 am

At some point, you're choosing to prop up that behavior and mindset. Can't expect everyone to hold to principled stances, but its disappointing that so many editors choose to put up with all the BS (including being asked to submit false documents) over and over.
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Re: KATSUCON 20 AMV Showdown...FINALISTS!

Post by Squancho » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:41 am

I think y'all missed the part where I fought as much as I could before they made me watch them pick apart the initial finalist list, citing whatever reason along the way for their omissions.
This would certainly be different if it wasn't a convention-sanctioned and sponsored event.
It's a debate that will rage on forever and, honestly, the competitive nature of the vast majority of AMV creators will prevent them from caring who is in charge as they continue to send their entries in.
Anyway, if I were to keep walking away from the battleground when I can't get what we want, there won't be any ground left to fight for.
I think it's at the end of rule 7...con chair has the final word.
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Re: KATSUCON 20 AMV Showdown...FINALISTS!

Post by l33tmeatwad » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:43 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:At some point, you're choosing to prop up that behavior and mindset. Can't expect everyone to hold to principled stances, but its disappointing that so many editors choose to put up with all the BS (including being asked to submit false documents) over and over.
That is another thing that pisses me off...them asking for editors to lie, as if that would help them at all if a company decided to sue them...It would actually make things worse since they are acknowledging a need for some type of permission.
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Re: KATSUCON 20 AMV Showdown...FINALISTS!

Post by Davis 51 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:40 pm

Hey, can you post a list of DQ's and those who were on the list but now aren't and the stated reason why?

Krigen tells me that my name was on it but since it's not there I can guess what happened...:(

Edit: I'd be more than happy to make my opinions known to the organizers. This info would actually help me go a long way with that.
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Re: KATSUCON 20 AMV Showdown...FINALISTS!

Post by drewaconclusion » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:04 pm

Yeah, I don't think I'll be entering again next year.
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