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Post by BasharOfTheAges » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:36 pm

hackerzc wrote:
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hackerzc wrote: Why would anyone choose to put a deadline at a time where it would intentionally cripple the number of contest entries that are received?
I don't know; you tell me.
We don't do that, but you made the accusation. I can't help but assume you believe that to be the case...
Opposition to change in the face of logic suggests what it suggests.
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hackerzc wrote: Do you believe that is what we are doing, and if so why do you think that way?
Because the attitude of your responses have led me to believe as such. Lambasting those with critiques and making smug comments when someone comes in supposedly supporting being against any change kinda does that to perception.

The attitude of my responses lead you to believe staff intentionally sabotage the contest? So because I say what I think and don't baby everyone I'm there for sabotaging the contest by making a deadline at an inopportune time? A deadline I might add, that I in no way took part in choosing?
I'm curious to know how that rational works as it makes no sense to me.
First off, stop putting words in my mouth. I never suggested sabotage - if anything it's ignorance and obstinance. You (plural - i.e. the coordinators and those others involved) have made a decision to have early deadlines and stuck by it dispite the problems it's caused for years, haven't you?
hackerzc wrote:Lambasting those with critiques and those against change? Perhaps you need to read back a bit... I've agreed with those who want change and those who do not. In fact that is the entire purpose of this thread, to see what people think about what should be the same and what should change.
Mayhaps it's the internets, but the tone of many of the posts you have made both this year and last year are very agressive and defensive when it comes to change, responsibility, etc.
hackerzc wrote:There is also a difference between someone "critiquing" the contest with a comment such as "I did not like the deadline so early, I would like it later next time" and "OMG! The deadline is too early you need to change it NOW or I'm not entering... and I suggest no one else enter either!" which is just complaining and borderline blackmail.
People shoudln't refuse to enter because they want to be assholes, but refusing to enter because it puts undue stress on them is quite fair. I do wholeheartedly agree with the fact that if one is bothered by the bickering, the defensiveness, and the lack of change they should voice their displeasure with their feet.
hackerzc wrote:If you want to talk about lambasting, lets talk about some of the comments staff have had to deal with from a number of editors in the past.
let's see a number of them...
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BasharOfTheAges wrote:Even if enough people come into this thread and say they think the prescreenings are pointless, i feel that they'll be canned but the deadline won't be increased.
Again, this makes no sense. If we don't have prescreenings why would the deadline NOT be moved? The entire purpose of not doing prescreenings would be to have the deadline moved. To not do so would just be idiotic to say the least, and the implication is simply insulting.
BasharOfTheAges wrote: I personally have no stake in the issue - i'd prefer the early deadline because it means i could submit simulaniously to this and other major cons if i so choose. I won't though. If others think they're talking to a wall here I suggest they don't either.
For someone with no stake you sure take quite an interest in explaining how AMV staff is corrupt and somehow incapable of logical reasoning, as well as attempting to persuading others to not enter the contest as evident by your "talking to a wall" comment.
Just me? I'm sure there's more than that... especially since i've gathered all my preceptions from reading all the threads on past contests and seeing the clusterfuck they turned out to be (the threads that is).
hackerzc wrote: It's fairly evident that you have not given this much thought (as everything you have stated can be counter argued with actual evidence) and I can only surmise you are attempting to emit a negative response, or perhaps anger from me. Whatever floats your boat man.
I've yet to see any "evidence."
hackerzc wrote: Your preference to keep things as is has been noted (though you said the contrary earlier). Keep the opinions coming. Thank you very much, and have a nice day! :D
Again with the misrepresentation of facts; I mentioned offhandly that having an early contest would benifit me personally... I'm far above thinking that any sort of personal gain is more important than the needs of a lot of other editors. I'd fully support moving the deadline back by getting rid of prescreenings.

You're not going to listen to anything I say from now on anyways, so it's a moot point.
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Re: OTAKON: BASIC AMV Rules for 2007

Post by Adv1sor » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:47 pm

hackerzc wrote: Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:18 am
-CONTEST DEADLINE:
As yet unknown, expect a late May date (subject to change).
No one ever accused me of being the sharpest tool in the shed but how is this causing anyone any stress? Am I reading this wrong or does this not give us almost half a year to create and submit an AMV, prescreenings or not?
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Re: OTAKON: BASIC AMV Rules for 2007

Post by hackerzc » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:49 pm

ReligionX wrote: You know what would make everyone, Fans and Editors alike happy? You know what would really please everyone? If there was some place... some sort of "anime music video organization" where everyone could get in line to see every video that shows at every contest around the country, and even in other countries. It would have to be some sort of magical place where even videos that don't make it to AMV contests could be seen.
LOL, that was good.
ReligionX wrote:We're all on the same side, but no one can see it or no one is willing to admit it--I can't figure out which it is.
You're right, we are all on the same side. Or at lease we should be. Like you pointed out though there is the whole issue of people being able/willing to see it. It would be so nice if everyone could get along.
BasharOfTheAges wrote:Opposition to change in the face of logic suggests what it suggests.
LOL, except I'm not opposing change. Bashar... do and think what ever you want. Frankly I'm done with you as all you seem to be doing is instigating conflict. I simply don't have the time or patience for it any more.
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Post by Scintilla » Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:10 pm

hackerzc, [url=http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=868257#868257]back in June[/url], wrote:Next year the deadline WILL be closer to the con (perhaps as much as a month), I will personally be looking into setting up an FTP server, and hopefully nothing will go wrong for people to complain about.
The staff <i>will</i> be making good on this, right?

Aside: Is it only the Otakon contest-related threads around here that consistently have bad feelings going back and forth, or do other conventions also have this problem?
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Post by Adv1sor » Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:23 pm

Scintilla wrote:Aside: Is it only the Otakon contest-related threads around here that consistently have bad feelings going back and forth, or do other conventions also have this problem?
I think that Otakon gets so much grief because: 1, it's size; and 2, hackerzc keeps trying to please everyone, (an impossible task to say the least...).
hackerzc wrote:...hopefully nothing will go wrong for people to complain about.
Right, yeah, I mean, if we don't have something to complain about, what are going to do with all the time we spend complaining? What, work on AMVs or something?

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Post by dwchang » Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:06 pm

Scintilla wrote:Aside: Is it only the Otakon contest-related threads around here that consistently have bad feelings going back and forth, or do other conventions also have this problem?
I don't recall there being so many bad feelings in 2003 (beyond the "OMG I DIDN'T MAKE IT IN" that is in every contest thread) when a certain someone ran the contest, but perhaps my memory is fading with age...

This is obviously my opinion and I'm certain I'll have to defend it (which I shouldn't have to), but the reason drama keeps increasing is due to the quality of the contest going down. It seems to be a fairly easy correlation to see imo. Less entries year-to-year, more complaining year-to-year, etc. etc.

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Post by Castor Troy » Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:31 pm

dwchang wrote:
Scintilla wrote:Aside: Is it only the Otakon contest-related threads around here that consistently have bad feelings going back and forth, or do other conventions also have this problem?
I don't recall there being so many bad feelings in 2003 (beyond the "OMG I DIDN'T MAKE IT IN" that is in every contest thread) when a certain someone ran the contest, but perhaps my memory is fading with age...

This is obviously my opinion and I'm certain I'll have to defend it (which I shouldn't have to), but the reason drama keeps increasing is due to the quality of the contest going down. It seems to be a fairly easy correlation to see imo. Less entries year-to-year, more complaining year-to-year, etc. etc.

I await your flames...
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Post by dokool » Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:36 pm

dwchang wrote:
Scintilla wrote:Aside: Is it only the Otakon contest-related threads around here that consistently have bad feelings going back and forth, or do other conventions also have this problem?
I don't recall there being so many bad feelings in 2003 (beyond the "OMG I DIDN'T MAKE IT IN" that is in every contest thread) when a certain someone ran the contest, but perhaps my memory is fading with age...

This is obviously my opinion and I'm certain I'll have to defend it (which I shouldn't have to), but the reason drama keeps increasing is due to the quality of the contest going down. It seems to be a fairly easy correlation to see imo. Less entries year-to-year, more complaining year-to-year, etc. etc.

I await your flames...
No, you pretty much have it right.

And <b>Castor Troy</b>, there's bad feelings whenever Brakus posts anywhere.

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Post by hackerzc » Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:12 pm

Scintilla wrote:
hackerzc, [url=http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=868257#868257]back in June[/url], wrote:Next year the deadline WILL be closer to the con (perhaps as much as a month), I will personally be looking into setting up an FTP server, and hopefully nothing will go wrong for people to complain about.
The staff <i>will</i> be making good on this, right?

Aside: Is it only the Otakon contest-related threads around here that consistently have bad feelings going back and forth, or do other conventions also have this problem?
It already is Scintilla. The con has been moved to July 20th (14 days earlier), and the the deadline will be LATE May (perhaps May 25th), which is later than last year. Together that's around a month. That's with prescreenings, and to be honest things are going to be TIGHT, really tight, but I feel they can be done. Without prescreenings everything can be moved back another week or two perhaps. It's a matter of getting everything done and knowing who the finalists are so we can meet printing deadlines.
The main thing that dictates when the deadline is, are printing deadlines. They must be met or there would be NO voting at the con. Staff deadlines are non-negotiable.
dwchang wrote:I don't recall there being so many bad feelings in 2003...
Na you are right, Matt did a good contest. Then Geoff came in, screwed everything up and created the main issue that lingers to this day. After that were the tech issues in 2005 which I think could have been avoided had my recommendation for a netstream 2000 been heeded. Then 2006 everyone decided I was the problem, partly because I don't ego stroke (which many have come accustomed to) and because I seem to be the only person from the contest to actually be around to talk to anyone.

The main problem is that everyone is so damn obsessed with "what happened last year" and "what went wrong before" that they instantly think this year will be bad.... even before the complete rules are even out.
Hell, if you go into the contest looking for problems then you are going to find them, even where they don't exist. It happens year after year. Like the deadline issue. The deadline is the deadline... it's part of the rules of the contest. But what happens when someone doesn't like when the deadline is? "OMG the deadline is so early... what went wrong/what happened!?"... well nothing went wrong... that's just when the deadline is. Some will never understand that though, and I don't really know why.
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Post by Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:12 am

hackerzc wrote:The main problem is that everyone is so damn obsessed with "what happened last year" and "what went wrong before" that they instantly think this year will be bad.... even before the complete rules are even out.
Hell, if you go into the contest looking for problems then you are going to find them, even where they don't exist. It happens year after year. Like the deadline issue. The deadline is the deadline... it's part of the rules of the contest. But what happens when someone doesn't like when the deadline is? "OMG the deadline is so early... what went wrong/what happened!?"... well nothing went wrong... that's just when the deadline is. Some will never understand that though, and I don't really know why.
But you see, that is the legacy you will have to end up defineding and fix.. When a contest screwes up or goes downhill, that will always haunt the next guy to take over and make it that much harder.. Thus you have to work even harder and really turn the contest around.. Once you do that, then it gets easier.... That reality...

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