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Post by XStylus » Tue May 27, 2008 6:07 am

Scintilla wrote: I guess that next time, if you mention the whole normalization thing in the rules again, you might want to mention for the benefit of those who aren't familiar with the term that it can't fix digital clipping.
A FAQ is being created to help creators ensure that they are working with quality source material.
Though I know there are programs out there that can fix clipping if it's not too bad (Adobe Audition comes to mind; I don't know if it had this functionality when it was still Syntrillium Cool Edit Pro).
While there's varying severities of clipping, there is no way to "fix" clipped audio. If you've got a song that's clipped but "isn't too bad", the best thing to do is leave it alone. The only true way to fix clipped audio is to recapture the audio and pay closer attention to the levels.

Clipping is exactly what it is. It results from levels being set so high that it hits against the peak, or "ceiling" as I call it. When the levels are cranked up, anything above the ceiling is chopped away like a lawnmower cutting a blade of tall grass.

Even if you bring the levels back down, that doesn't bring back the parts that were clipped off, and thus such parts of the song sound flat and distorted because some of the sound data that was there is gone.

An example of a clipped song that "isn't too bad" is one where, out of the entire 4 minute song, it only clips one or two times in the entire song, and briefly. A song that clips one or two times per second should be deemed unusable.

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Post by anneke » Tue May 27, 2008 9:00 am

I look forward to the audio faq/guide. I may be a computer programmer but my audio/visiual skills have always been lacking. (shrugs)


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Post by KagatoAMV » Tue May 27, 2008 9:44 am

Here is a graph that sorta demos what happens to a sound's waveform when its clipped.

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When the sound is clipped, it goes from a nice smooth curve (or the nearest digital approximation) to a flat plateau at the apex of the waveform.

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Post by Castor Troy » Tue May 27, 2008 10:01 am

Thanks for the kind words Michael. :)

I'm not a sports fan either, but Rocky and Ippo were always more about the drama than the sport itself which made both series interesting. I didn't show any of the drama of either series since the video was a fun tribute to both.

I definitely respect anyone who does a KH video out of the gameplay since I wouldn't even want to go through the game again (not that it was a bad game, but I don't have the time to repeat an RPG anymore). I remember that KH video with My Heart Will Go On from AX2004 which was actually met by groans from the audience but I think it won something and it was also entirely KH gameplay as well.

Looking forward to the show more than ever now. :)
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Post by Sephiroth » Tue May 27, 2008 10:18 am

Studio Hybrid wrote:
MisterFurious wrote:
But you still kept the editing "old school." Mostly edits and hardly any effects at all. I particularly liked the way you assigned the horn section to the train. Made perfect sense.
When I heard those sections of the song I thought of the train immediately. I mainly used straight cuts and two specialty video transitions. I'm trying to do a contemporary action video without turning to the "white frame flash on the beat" technique.
Glad to hear the old ways haven't died out sometimes ive felt i'm the only one who actually still focuses on actual editing.

As for me looks like next year i may have to get a cake. That isn't a lie.

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Post by The Wired Knight » Tue May 27, 2008 11:13 am

DigitalPanther wrote:Wired Knight's "From the Diary of Alphonse Elric" I thought was hilarious. Dark as hell but hilarious. However I don't think my opinion was shared. Maybe my exes are right and I really am dark sadistic bastard. ;)
Heh, I actually prefer doing dark comedy and things that more or less bastardize a show (even when it's stuff I love). That's why I was dissapointed to not see it in the finals, first comedy video I've made that I've been satisfied with in years. (Typically I prefer making drama).

I was going to wait and post it till after AWA but since you've blown my cover on the video :x (jkoking, don't really care) I could just post it. I need some feedback for that thing other than my typical beta viewers anyway.

BTW: How are the acoustics in the Nokia theater? I hope it's not like the Disney Amphetheter, I like that place but if somebody drops a pin you can hear it resonate throughout the concert hall.
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Post by milkmandan » Tue May 27, 2008 11:37 am

DigitalPanther wrote: Which brings me to a minor rant I will probably mention at the AMV panel if Nic lets me.

I have noticed alot of editors don't pay attention to their audio. I literally had one entrant tell me when I asked him to resub for audio as he was one of the early entries and he had time or if he wanted to go as it was, he said something akin to "Oh well I thought you were just going to normalize it all anyway and that would bring it down." Blink blink huh?

Ok, I realize not everyone has a degree in television production such as myself. I realize not everyone has taken sound engineering classes.(I strongly recommend you do if you have the chance you will be amazed at what you learn), but I saw many videos that redlined ALOT. The above mentioned video is one of them. Normalization may bring audio levels down but it won't remove distortion that is already present. In Premiere/Final Cut, Vegas or whatever you are using for your editing, if your Audio meters/indicators hit red its BAD. Once you hit red you introduce distortion and clipping. Normalization of audio is a compression technique. If you have a wide dynamic range in your audio, normalization can potentially fuck that up and make your audio muddy.
A great example of this is Linkin Park's - What I've Done song.
If you've ever heard it on the radio and then heard it from the CD player, you'll notice the radio version is normalized, as the intro piano is at the same volume as the chorus. In actuality the piano is quite soft. You lose that dynamic audio range.

I agree, and using 128-192kbps downloaded mp3s as source is a no-no, but i think most people already know that.

I make a notion of purchasing the CDs from Amazon (really cheap nowadays O_O)
and doing the rip myself.

But good advice Michael, I think i saw my videos doing that a few times, I'll be sure to bring it down.

Here is a question: what if we tone it down a little too much to avoid any clipping and it becomes too soft, will you guys bring it up?
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Post by Ulatron » Tue May 27, 2008 11:46 am

Most MP3s are released at 320kbps which is great quality for most applications. Personally i like using high quality AAC or MP3 because they are the most compatible.

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Post by anneke » Tue May 27, 2008 12:26 pm

What day is the AMV contest going to be held on? How/when/where do we pick up our priority tickets/seating.

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Post by milkmandan » Tue May 27, 2008 12:56 pm

anneke wrote:What day is the AMV contest going to be held on? How/when/where do we pick up our priority tickets/seating.

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