Anime Expo 2012 AMV Contest Thread - WINNERS ANNOUNCED!!!

[MisterFurious]

b) [REMOVED. Rule C will become Rule B.]

And don't forget that THERE IS NO RULE 6!
Rule 7: No pooftas.

[Warlike Swans]

I like Rule B. A lot. It's the next best thing to an exclusivity rule without actually being one. I don't like exclusivity rules because they cause harm to other events. However, if there's a "no downloads" rule, the onus is entirely on the creator. They can still send to other events, they just can't post it online until after AX. In fact, all the other events the AMV is sent to prior to AX even get an indirect exclusivity benefit. So yes, I like the rule a lot. It's way more friendly to the convention community than an exclusivity rule.

I dislike rule B "A lot." It is worse that an exclusivity rule.

I find it incredibly disrespectful of editors to enter contest with a video that they don't intend to release until after a bigger contest. It's advertising a product you refuse to deliver.

If a contest is important enough to enter a video into, that audience should be important enough to release that video for. If a certain big contest is important enough to premiere a video at, save that video so that it truly premieres there, and don't enter earlier contests.

As a contest coordinator you should not be encouraging editors who rudely disregard their audiences. Create an exclusivity rule, or don't. Your compromise idea is a bad one.

[l33tmeatwad]

[NOT FINAL NOT FINAL NOT FINAL NOT FINAL!!!]
#) Freshness Rule
No “stale” entries. A “stale” entry is considered any of the following:
a) Any AMV that has already played at any combination of three out of the five west coast events listed below:
SakuraCon, Fanime, Anime Los Angeles, Anime Vegas, PMX.
b) [REMOVED. Rule C will become Rule B.]
c) Any entry that was shown at any live event prior to July 1st, 2012. (FINALIZED)
NOTE: If your AMV is presently available for public viewing or download, we request that you temporarily remove it (where possible) until after the event.


Once we come up a happy medium regarding the Freshness Rule, I'll be announcing the new category structure next.

The note under the rules is going to KILL the contests. Not that I don't appreciate the want for new videos, but the audience is the one that is going to suffer here.

[XStylus]

NOTE: If your AMV is presently available for public viewing or download, we request that you temporarily remove it (where possible) until after the event.

The note under the rules is going to KILL the contests. Not that I don't appreciate the want for new videos, but the audience is the one that is going to suffer here.

Er... how so? It's a completely optional request. In fact you could just as well go post your AMV to every video site under the sun right after submitting and there'd be no repercussion.

I find it incredibly disrespectful of editors to enter contest with a video that they don't intend to release until after a bigger contest. It's advertising a product you refuse to deliver.

If a contest is important enough to enter a video into, that audience should be important enough to release that video for. If a certain big contest is important enough to premiere a video at, save that video so that it truly premieres there, and don't enter earlier contests.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree, as I'm of the complete opposite opinion. I think it's harmful and disrespectful to the event and the at-con audience (and damaging to the reaction to your video) to post the video online in advance of an event you plan to show your video at (regardless of the event, be it ours or others).

And it's not as though it's a "product you refuse to deliver". It's a product that will be delivered after its run is complete. It's no different than Hollywood releasing a movie after its theatrical run is completed. If a studio released the DVD the same day (or before) it was in the theater, why go to the theater?

Also, as an AMV event runner, I take insult to the notion that AMV exhibitions are just giant advertizements for the AMV download. That notion diminishes the hard work I (and those at other events) put into making these exhibitions something special.

In any case, the rule will not be put in effect this year. I'll revisit the matter in a future year.

What I might do for the 2013 finalist list announcement is abstain from releasing AMV title names and simply announce the names of the creators who made it in... which is something I see Otakon is doing this year as well. I think I now I understand why.

[XStylus]

with you wanting to disallow MLP, would that be 100% not allowed, or allowed up to whatever possible ratio of non-anime footage may be allowable in the rules?

Non-anime may not be the primary footage. However, non-anime such as MLP may be used in conjunction.

The rules officially state an approximate ratio of 70/30. In practice it has been ascertained leniently, though no videos to my recollection have pushed that boundary.

[Cyrix]

I find it incredibly disrespectful of editors to enter contest with a video that they don't intend to release until after a bigger contest. It's advertising a product you refuse to deliver.

If a contest is important enough to enter a video into, that audience should be important enough to release that video for. If a certain big contest is important enough to premiere a video at, save that video so that it truly premieres there, and don't enter earlier contests.

As a contest coordinator you should not be encouraging editors who rudely disregard their audiences. Create an exclusivity rule, or don't. Your compromise idea is a bad one.

This doesn't make any sense at all. AMVs are not products. The audience has not paid money for them. There is no guarantee of delivery expressed or implied. The audience is not particularly hurt by waiting for an AMV. If they didn't see it at a con, they probably don't even know it exists, and since AMVs are not installments in a story it doesn't matter how long they have to wait to see it. There's no difference between finishing a video in May and releasing it in July, or finishing it in July and releasing it immediately.

If someone sees an AMV at an earlier con that hasn't been put online yet... that's no different than the way the entire film industry works. You have to wait months, or years, to see a movie after it's advertised in trailers. Do you think film trailers are disrespectful to the audience? You also have to wait months to buy it on home video after you pay to see it in the theater, so there's a delay again there. It's not the end of the world.

[Seijin_Dinger]

with you wanting to disallow MLP, would that be 100% not allowed, or allowed up to whatever possible ratio of non-anime footage may be allowable in the rules?

Non-anime may not be the primary footage. However, non-anime such as MLP may be used in conjunction.

The rules officially state an approximate ratio of 70/30. In practice it has been ascertained leniently, though no videos to my recollection have pushed that boundary.

I figurred it was a ratio, the question was for the person wanting MLP banned, if they meant banned entirely and any bit means an instant DQ even if it fell into that 30% ratio

[Warlike Swans]

I find it incredibly disrespectful of editors to enter contest with a video that they don't intend to release until after a bigger contest. It's advertising a product you refuse to deliver.

If a contest is important enough to enter a video into, that audience should be important enough to release that video for. If a certain big contest is important enough to premiere a video at, save that video so that it truly premieres there, and don't enter earlier contests.

As a contest coordinator you should not be encouraging editors who rudely disregard their audiences. Create an exclusivity rule, or don't. Your compromise idea is a bad one.

This doesn't make any sense at all. AMVs are not products. The audience has not paid money for them. There is no guarantee of delivery expressed or implied. The audience is not particularly hurt by waiting for an AMV. If they didn't see it at a con, they probably don't even know it exists, and since AMVs are not installments in a story it doesn't matter how long they have to wait to see it. There's no difference between finishing a video in May and releasing it in July, or finishing it in July and releasing it immediately.

If someone sees an AMV at an earlier con that hasn't been put online yet... that's no different than the way the entire film industry works. You have to wait months, or years, to see a movie after it's advertised in trailers. Do you think film trailers are disrespectful to the audience? You also have to wait months to buy it on home video after you pay to see it in the theater, so there's a delay again there. It's not the end of the world.

Look up the definition of a word before you argue about it.

prod·uct   [prod-uhkt, -uhkt]
noun
1.
a thing produced by labor: products of farm and factory; the product of his thought.

I never said it was "the end of the world" said it's disrespectful and rude. The film industry operates on its own timescale, and fulfills the audience expectation of it. One expects the video release of a movie to follow the theatrical release by a few months, one would have every right to complain if they then had to wait a few years.

People submit AMVs to a contest because they want them to be seen, and the audience expects to be able to watch them online afterwards, if not immediately afterwards, then within a few days. That's the expectation within our "industry." If you submit to a couple cons but then don't release the video until after a big con the message that you send is that you want prizes from the small cons but you don't give a shit about their audiences.

[Rider4Z]

omg so much reading i AM reading everything tho! it's nice to hear opinions on complete opposite ends of the spectrum. i don't envy you, troy. no matter what you do someone's not gonna be happy.

i do wanna say tho that everything being spoken is JUST an opinion. some people think seeing amvs in advance can hurt your chances, others believe it can benefit them. and the truth is both are right. an audience doesn't share one brain. some will see a video they've already viewed and will judge it differently compared to the ones they haven't seen, whether it's to that video's benefit or not. ultimately, there's no real right answer here.

Spoiler :

The one year I went to Anime LA, Fanime and AX in the same year...I saw the same AMV get in at all three times. By the second time, I was bored out of my mind of it.

you're talking about FM's BACK aren'tcha? hey to be fair it didn't make finals at ALA

[Shin-AMV]

People are going to read optional requests in rules as mandatory requirements regardless of how many modifiers you tag onto it to suggest its only optional. I would suggest to just drop the language of that entirely to avoid unneccesary questions and hassles about it, and if people want to premiere it at AX they can figure that out for themselves anyways.