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Chef · Post by **Chef** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 12:21 am

wizard:

hmmm...well, its mostly a mind thing for me. it didnt really die BECAUSE of joey's death, it just topped it all off.

differences: well...it just is. they know how to play, which kills the style...eh it really isnt in sound. its more the fact that the punk scene died and then some people revived it around the late 80s, but with a different sound, and it was still called punk. punk music was a radical (in the political sense) music style, theres no real revolution connected with the punk of today. its like how rock isnt new and revolutionary anymore, its just a style of music now...

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 12:36 am

Chef wrote:i meant when it's death started

Chef wrote:wizard:

it didnt really die BECAUSE of joey's death, it just topped it all off.

some people revived it around the late 80s

joey's death topped it all off eh, you say that's when it started last time I said you contradicted yourself. Not to mention if it did fall 1994, or started to fall 1994, how was it revived before it even fell? Timelines looks like this: 1980 1990 2000 (so you know)

If you knew what you were talking about your information wouldn't change all the time.

And the ramones knew how to play, otherwise they wouldn't be popular. Also to top it off, they're not punk rock, they're merley punk. Punk rock includes the used, thrice, and finch. Listen to some of their stuff.

If you admited you don't know what you're talking about, dropped this, and gave an honest opinion, I'd stop. But you're continuously making no sense at all.

Chef · Post by **Chef** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 12:44 am

merley? wtf? punk rock is punk rock. i spose merley is the modern term for true...?

and you are right. i worded that wrong. punk all but disappeared around 1980, then there was ska, then there was husker du, janes addiction, bad religion who are all considered punk (not as much janes addiction now, but they were), but it was different in style that earlier punk rock. then it all started dying around the mid nineties, then croaked in the new millenium.

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 12:52 am

see, you're still acting like you know what you're talking about, you havn't got a clue. There is a diffrence between punk, and punk rock. The same diffrence between punk and pop punk. The ramones are punk, blink-182 is pop-punk (though they used to be punk) and bands that sound nothing like the ramones such as finch, the used, and thrice are classified as punk rock. The ramones today, are not punk rock, only punk. Why don't you just drop this already, you don't know what you're talking about. Download some music from one of those three bands, and you'll see.

Chef · Post by **Chef** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 12:56 am

so lets see, what have i learned: that people have started using the term punk rock in a different context as punk. thats fucked.

punk rock is punk rock. punk=punk rock, since punk is rock, so punk=punky rock=punk. no difference.

stop telling me to drop it. i dont just "drop" musical arguments.

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:06 am

I have proof, where is yours?

why don't you try mine?

3 bands, pick one, any one at all

http://www.finchmusic.com/
^Finch

http://www.theused.net/
^The Used

http://www.thrice.net/
^Thrice

Downlaod off of kazaa anyone of these bands, or go to their websites and check them out.

When I mean drop it, I mean drop your notion you know everything, open your you head to outside knowledge. If you'd stop being so stubborn you'd of already checked out one of these bands and listened to them by now. Punk is no rock, go find rock fans that like tool and stuff, and tell them how similar they are, most rock fans hate punk. Punk is punk, it's its own genre, and classifys bands like the ramones. Punk rock is the mixing of rock/metal with punk. All three of these bands are punk rock, listen to any one of them, you could even just to go amazon.com and test their stuff there if you want.

Outlaw Desire · Post by **Outlaw Desire** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:13 am

Hey Tsnuami, i think its time i bumped in, you say chef doesnt know what he is talking about, yet in most of your posts i see only 3 bands you use to support yourself, i can only help but think, this is all that you know. Lets give a good example of "punk" today, the unseen, anti-flag, against all authority. These bands are in now way as good as "punk" before, lets go with your guy's argument, and say 1994. The Subhumans, would blow those bands away, thats just one "punk" band im using, i have a library of 'em, try me if you "dont think I know what im talking about" Im not a fan of "punk", i already said what i like, although, i did like "punk" before lets call it, this revolution of crappy "punk" bands.

Chef · Post by **Chef** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:16 am

GODDAMMIT I DONT KNOW EVERYTHING

and thats 3 bands that youve listed over and over. 3 bands doesnt constitute a genre.

what proof, those 3 bands are dictating that the ramones arent punk rock but they are?

i cant "check out one (or any) of these bands". i have reasons, ill do it tomorrow, to be fair.

tool and stuff? explain further.

i am a rock fan. tool, led zeppelin, nine inch nails, jimi hendrix. i am a punk fan. ramones, clash, sex pistols, and the other bands that are different punk, blondie, talking heads, plus husker du, bad religion, offspring, green day. most of the people i know are the same way.

punk is rock. punk was just rock sung by angry twentysomethings with marginal talent. people say its different but its just attitude that set them apart.

Rozard · Post by **Rozard** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:16 am

I've talked to Chef about music many times. He may be only 15, but he knows his shit. You're talking about punk rock, which is not dead. Chef's saying punk is dead, which it is. Punk is not the same as punk rock. Also, Blink-182 isn't punk rock, they're pop punk.

The big problem is that everyone has become so specified and genred that some people don't understand why it's important, and bleed one genre into another in discussion. Then there are people who feel that they have to get up someone's ass if they mislabel a band's style of music. I could understand some basic mistakes, like calling Marilyn Manson's music punk (I actually saw this way back in the phorum) Another thing that I find odd is that the alternative rock stations where I live play Eminem. I'm seen some people here so uptight that I'm afraid to say "techno" anymore because it displays my so-called ignorance. At any rate, I'm rambling. Let's just drop this. There's no way to prove on person is right and the other's wrong.

One last thing: Someone's age doesn't impose a standard of knowledge. If that were true, than every historian in the would could be called a fucking asshole because they weren't actually there when the history happened.

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:20 am

I use those three because they are the best three to use to represent punk rock. Further seems forever, thrusday, and taking back sunday are all good examples too, you can ask me anything and I'll back it up. And I'm open to other things. I havn't or wouldn't say you don't know what you're talking about because you seem like you do know, chef's information is forever changing, and he claims to know so much, yet he barley knows at all, which would be fine if he didn't insist that he did. And if he does, i sincerley apologize, but where is the proof in any of what he's saying?