The Dying Music Industry

madmallard · Post by **madmallard** » Sun May 04, 2003 2:34 pm

the point of course, that the record industry wants to make is that their downtrend is the fault of lack of copy protection on CD's and the like

meaning burning is hurting them

Kamoc · Post by **Kamoc** » Sun May 04, 2003 9:42 pm

they're just mad that we started buying music that we actually like instead of the mass of crap they generate on a daily basis.

in other words, they sue over the fact that american idol #43's soundtrack sells about two cds instead of the projected 30,000,000.

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Sun May 04, 2003 9:59 pm

I don't know Kamoc....

As much as i love good Charlotte, I firmly believe they had their career served to them on a silver plater. They did not deserve to be this big on the release of just their 2nd album.

So as a media run group, they've managed to sell almost 2 million copies of their new CD now.

I think they're still selling those types of CDs.

I think it's more the Record Labels that are mad. Like Reprise records, they produce The used and green Day records, yet how many do they sell?

A Record Label pays a band in ADVANCE to make a CD, and then the band only gets a TINY profit form each CD sold. The bands already made thier money, I think it's the Record Labels being pissed they're not getting their money back, or profiting.

Kamoc · Post by **Kamoc** » Sun May 04, 2003 11:50 pm

a record label pays a band in advance to make a cd, and they are mad because they're not getting their money back and no longer have the manpower to recreate the band's image over and over to several albums which would slum a few more bucks off of the average listener.

who wants some speakers? i want some speakers.

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Mon May 05, 2003 12:31 am

lets make a P2P program that lets people downlaod each other's speakers!!!

we'll make!!...... We'll make!!... lots of friends?

Ja · Post by Ja » Mon May 05, 2003 1:42 am

The RIAA has no one to blame but themselves for setting CD prices too high, the class action lawsuit was put up aganst them when it went public that they set CD prices. The people won the case, for a while there was a website up where any one who bought a CD in like the last 10 years was entitled to $20. Myself along with every one I told signed up for it, still havent heard what the deal is with that. The RIAA has made threats to fine heavy Kazaa users (ie people who DL thousands of mp3s PER day) $150,000 for every mp3 they DL to see if it cuts down on mp3 sharing. They cant actually pull this off, it goes aganst federal and state laws to do all that. First there is the whole deal of privacy, and proving it was you who DL the file (whats to say your friend didnt get on and DL it or your sister), along with the laws of you cannot charge a excessive amount (like if I stole a spoon from you, you cant make me pay $1,000 for it). On top of all that it is not even stealing, to steal you need to take something from them or cause them to lose money. If I could not DL mp3's, I would not buy all the CD's for every mp3 I have. If mp3's are banned, it wont make my buy CD's, I'd buy the same ammount I do now, and I would be out alot less music because I wont be able to get single songs that I like. I am not gonna pay 13-20 bucks for a CD that I would only listen to 1 song on, so I just wont buy the CD. With mp3's I can DL that one song, listen to it, even tell friends about it, so you see we are not really stealing anything. The RIAA is just trying a scare tactic to try and cut down sharing. What are they gonna do? Take 20 million people to court?

Now thats off my chest, wasnt it a nice day out today?

Farlo · Post by **Farlo** » Mon May 05, 2003 1:47 am

my post is not advocating theft in any form.

ill admit that i download mp3s through p2p, but the thing is i downloaded the entire albums of stabbing westward "darkest days", and the selftitled album.

whenever i get money i purchase the cds. Saturday i finally found a new copy of darkest days and the other one.

95% of the mp3s on my hd and my cdrs are rips from cds that i have already purchased. 4 ofther percent of my mp3s are from albums i plan to buy, the final 1% are songs or from albums that are nearly impossible to find now.

plus its not piracy that is "killing" the music industry...IT IS SHIT MUSIC...you see that the albums that are still doing well are older, it is rare for new music to be truely good, or anything more than a passing trend in music.

don't make me post the anti-pop manifesto again

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Mon May 05, 2003 2:01 am

Ja, $20 is a maximum standard

You're not suppossed to charge more than that no matter what CD it is, unless you're getting more than a CD. Like multiple CDs, a DVD, crap like that.

Likie Sum 41 - Does This Look Infected. 12 Songs, incredibly popular band, latest CD, and a DVD that came wityh 80+ minutes of footage. This CD retails at $18.99

Now this is your more expensive stuff, however, the stuff that I normaly buy is pretty dirt cheap. My CDs range from 6.99 to 14.99, most commonly around 9.99.

Now, keeping in mind most CDs I buy are 9.99, most of the people I know listen to the same stuff as me, so any one I know that's going to pirate a CD and not pay for it is going to pirate a CD much like that one. The hgih price is not driving them to pirate stuff, ANY price is driving them to pirate stuff. They're lazy fucks that have no respect for the artists they like, and think any price is too high when they could get it for free.

Just because the RIAA set a $20 standard doesn't mean your average CD is $20

And farlo, I don't know about your good old v.s. bad enw music thing, I'm un opinionated and comment free on that, just speechless. But I know this, you're a GOOD MAN Farlo. That's the way a P2P server should be sued, that's what I do.

Rozard · Post by **Rozard** » Mon May 05, 2003 2:16 am

Kamoc is my hero, along with kthulhu.

=O

Ja · Post by Ja » Mon May 05, 2003 12:35 pm

I am not sure what the price was set by the RIAA, (if any one knows please tell) but the lawsuit was filed because the set prices were too high (like setting price of a Soda for $100). The RIAA was charging a excessive amount and getting great profit (I am not aganst profit but some companys do go to far to gain it, also see mircosoft) and at the same time the RIAA was under paying the singers. Basicly the RIAA got a bunch of companys together in a room and said "Lets over charge CD prices and pay singers less". Also if any one has any more info on all this please post.

Have a good one.