your fav all-time band.

[megaman917]

Rap = Retards Attempting Poetry

Did I ever say it was going anywhere? Of course its not. It caters to the lowest common denominator, which will always be popular. I love how people always defend popular music with the only tangible (at least, to them it is tangible) argument they have: BUT ITS POPULAR! If everyone jumped off a bridge, would you? (I've actually had people answer Yes to this question before.)

Also: Rap existed in 1979? Eh?

And you call your arguments tangible?

It caters to the lowest common denominator

What do you mean by that? and What are you trying to say?

I'm not defending Hip-Hop because it's popular. I'm defending it because you came in here and flamed it, and I'm defending it because this is the music I grew up listening to.

And yes, Hip-Hop pretty much started in 1979.

[Fulorian]

It caters to the lowest common denominator

What do you mean by that? and What are you trying to say?

I'm not defending Hip-Hop because it's popular. I'm defending it because you came in here and flamed it, and I'm defending it because this is the immature rhyming about "mackin' da hoes" set to a standard, musically null beat I grew up listening to.

And yes, Hip-Hop pretty much started in 1979.

Fixed.

Caters to the lowest common denomenator is another way of saying it appeals to morons, which make up a majority of the populace. Thank you for proving my point so effectively. I didn't even mean for this to turn into a flame against rap, just a contrast of (c)rap to good metal.

[JOE_Greezy]

Obviously you've only listened to the rap that's played on the radio which is all shit, but wait all music on the radio is shit so if I was a closedminded asshole like you I'd say all music sucks.

[megaman917]

It caters to the lowest common denominator

What do you mean by that? and What are you trying to say?

I'm not defending Hip-Hop because it's popular. I'm defending it because you came in here and flamed it, and I'm defending it because this is the immature rhyming about "mackin' da hoes" set to a standard, musically null beat I grew up listening to.

And yes, Hip-Hop pretty much started in 1979.

Fixed.

Caters to the lowest common denomenator is another way of saying it appeals to morons, which make up a majority of the populace. Thank you for proving my point so effectively. I didn't even mean for this to turn into a flame against rap, just a contrast of (c)rap to good metal.

Again with the pointless flaming?

You're saying that people who like rap are morons, and because you like metal, you are smarter and superior.
[sarcasm]You are the smartest and most mature person I've ever encountered.[/sarcasm]

I didn't even mean for this to turn into a flame against rap

That there is a blatant lie, and you know it.

I tried listening to some metal, but it just doesn't work for me.
Should I flame metal because I'm not into it?
Answer, No.
Reasons:
5. There are a few metal heads around here who I do have some respect for.
4. There's no point in bitching about it.
3. I just might get lynched by all the metal heads on this site.
2. I'm not really into metal, I don't really like metal, I don't really listen to metal, I don't really understand metal, (and I don't make stupid generalizations of other genres or cultures that I don't understand); but, I do respect the fact that other people listen to it and embrace it.
1. Unlike you, I'm not a closedminded asshole.

I'm done. This thread has gone of topic long enough, and to continue arguing with you would be nothing more than a waste of time and web space.

[Fulorian]

You're the one making grotesque generalizations. I never associated Metal with being intelligent. There is a wide variety of music that is musically sound, that I have no interest in whatsoever, but respect as being genuinely musical. Rap is not one of them.

Yet I know plenty of intelligent people who listen to rap, which does sadden me. However, that is more a result of cultural conditioning overpowering any realization that the music is indeed garbage. You may well be one of those. I never said you were a moron, only that rap has enormous appeal to morons. It is simple, easy to understand, and promotes the basest of animal instincts above all else. And the atrocities it is creating in the language need not even be mentioned.

Rap is, come to think of it, the only genre of music I have ever written off as a whole. No other genre of music promotes stupidity and hatred in such a crude package without any shame. I apologize if I'm treading on your childhood memories, but that is the real reason you are defending rap, is it not? Can you pretend, in adulthood, that it is not a juvenile pasttime?

[JOE_Greezy]

You're the one making grotesque generalizations. I never associated Metal with being intelligent. There is a wide variety of music that is musically sound, that I have no interest in whatsoever, but respect as being genuinely musical. Rap is not one of them.

Yet I know plenty of intelligent people who listen to rap, which does sadden me. However, that is more a result of cultural conditioning overpowering any realization that the music is indeed garbage. You may well be one of those. I never said you were a moron, only that rap has enormous appeal to morons. It is simple, easy to understand, and promotes the basest of animal instincts above all else. And the atrocities it is creating in the language need not even be mentioned.

Rap is, come to think of it, the only genre of music I have ever written off as a whole. No other genre of music promotes stupidity and hatred in such a crude package without any shame. I apologize if I'm treading on your childhood memories, but that is the real reason you are defending rap, is it not? Can you pretend, in adulthood, that it is not a juvenile pasttime?

That's why woodstock had people rolling in shit, must have been the rap.

[Fulorian]

Did you ever read what I said?

[Otohiko]

Have you found a measure of music?

As much as I associate rap more with poetry than with music per se, I'm curious how exactly you arrived at something so elegant as a way of defining music objectively. Perhaps it's a beginning of the ressurection of the objective arts.

[megaman917]

You're the one making grotesque generalizations. I never associated Metal with being intelligent. There is a wide variety of music that is musically sound, that I have no interest in whatsoever, but respect as being genuinely musical. Rap is not one of them.

Yet I know plenty of intelligent people who listen to rap, which does sadden me. However, that is more a result of cultural conditioning overpowering any realization that the music is indeed garbage. You may well be one of those. I never said you were a moron, only that rap has enormous appeal to morons. It is simple, easy to understand, and promotes the basest of animal instincts above all else. And the atrocities it is creating in the language need not even be mentioned.

Rap is, come to think of it, the only genre of music I have ever written off as a whole. No other genre of music promotes stupidity and hatred in such a crude package without any shame. I apologize if I'm treading on your childhood memories, but that is the real reason you are defending rap, is it not? Can you pretend, in adulthood, that it is not a juvenile pasttime?

You are still flaming and making generalizations about rap, and now you are starting to contradict some of what you were saying.

[Zaphod_Beeblebrox]

Caters to the lowest common denomenator is another way of saying it appeals to morons, which make up a majority of the populace.

If by that you mean that rappers talk about the things that make up their life in a way they find to be sonically enjoyable then yeah, fine whatever, but you seem to incapable of seeing past the end of your own rectum (seeing as how you've got your head jammed so far up your ass).

Now fine, you're entitled to not like rap, i don't either, but you have to understand that just because you don't like it it doesn't make it inferior. While rappers may spend a lot of time talking about sex and/or money that doesn't mean that all rap does, i don't know...take...umm..."Toy Soldiers" by Eminem, that has nothing about sex or money, it's him talking about how conflict between rappers is pointless, now i don't know about you, but have you ever heard any norwegian black metal band growl about how church burning was a fucking stupid thing to do?

Now, if that's just the popular face of rap (and it must be because i've heard of it) then i have no idea what underground rappers would be talking about, and i also have no doubt that some of it would be relatively clever compared to some of the bullshit that metal comes up with sometimes, just like sometimes metal comes up with lyrics that mean more than rap.

I'm not trying to defend rap per se, or change your mind, I'm just saying that you shoul try and have a more open mind, after all that's what most people who are into metal pride themselves on (being "open-minded"), when most people are just as bad as each other. Try new things, look into more metal that isn't just the popular face of it, you might be suprised by what you find.