Eminem wins an Oscar!

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Post by kthulhu » Mon Mar 24, 2003 5:01 pm

blackout_sehs wrote:I dont understand why people have to give Em such a bad rap.
Because he's bad rap.
blackout_sehs wrote:I think his music is very original and in your face. I dont really think he cares what anyone else thinks about his music...and that is what makes his musci good.
He apparently cares enough about it to whine like a little bitch with Dr. Dre over people downloading his stuff without paying him.
blackout_sehs wrote:I saw an interview with him the other night and he said that the message in his new album for everyone was Fuck You!!
Hmm, quite original and artistic and meaningful. When you're 12.
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Post by ShonenDizzyCow » Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:11 pm

Did people see the look on Barbra Streisand's face when she opened the envelope? It practically said "WTF!!!??!" Hilarious. :wink:

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Post by FirestormXIII » Tue Mar 25, 2003 12:11 pm

ShonenDizzyCow wrote:Did people see the look on Barbra Streisand's face when she opened the envelope? It practically said "WTF!!!??!" Hilarious. :wink:
Thanks Shonen, I just almost spit out my breakfast laughing at that :lol: :P
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Post by shocker » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:41 pm

CaTaClYsM wrote:and the last bit of respect I had for the academy is gone.
Actually, your respect for the academy should have been gone long before that, like when the academy gave Cher an Oscar.

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Post by Dannywilson » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:51 pm

I think the real question on everyone's mind to day is: do you believe in life after love?
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Post by NME » Tue Mar 25, 2003 4:23 pm

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Post by Veldrin » Tue Mar 25, 2003 5:06 pm

My hatred for eminem runs extremely deep, and this just worsens it. I now know I must kill him, and feed him to hungry cats in the alley.
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Post by JustinCredible » Tue Mar 25, 2003 7:41 pm

I can't believe people were suprised... it was a lock along time ago... I knew if they nominated him, he'd win.

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Post by buddykiller » Wed Mar 26, 2003 3:23 am

hmmm, give him all the shit you want, but to quote him "fuck with me now, bitch let's see your freestyle" and yea he's bragging but he fuckin earned the bragging rights, he's one of the most original rappers i've ever heard, people give him a bad rap just because dr. dre brought him to the front of the rap industry, well yea of course, just the way he did snoop dogg and you don't see ANYBODY downing snoop do ya? fuck no kuz he can fucking rap, well so can eminem fuck anybody who wants to down on a guy just kuz he's got more talent than them, and everybody bitches kuz he bitched about napster, hey it's his music, let him say what he wants, personly i think it's wrong to try to restrict your fans to payin 20 bucks an album but thats me, i still respeact the man and listen to his music, as far as 8 mile, i loved the movie... there are very few rap artists that i like because alot of it's done been said and alot of it's recycled crap (puff daddy?)
SSJ Zero wrote:Then why the hell is he making music?

I'm seriously sick about hearing about how he doesn't care because in all reality he does and that's because of the millions he's pulling in everytime one of his "hits" gets played.
fuck you, yea he gets rich off of his music, but i'm sure if you had that kinda talent and you could make money off of it wouldn't you take advantage of it?????? the man is just making a living for fucks sake, whats wrong with that? and fuck no he don't care what people think about it, if he did he'd be all fucking clean, no drugs, no gay humor, none of that shit because he catches shit for that, but he just says fuck you, he's making music because he can and because it pays the fucking bills, anybody that says they wouldn't is a fucking hypocrite!
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Post by Zerophite » Wed Mar 26, 2003 10:58 am

buddykiller wrote:hmmm, give him all the shit you want, but to quote him "fuck with me now, bitch let's see your freestyle" and yea he's bragging but he fuckin earned the bragging rights, he's one of the most original rappers i've ever heard, people give him a bad rap just because dr. dre brought him to the front of the rap industry, well yea of course, just the way he did snoop dogg and you don't see ANYBODY downing snoop do ya?
You think Eminem earned his bragging rights by freestyling? Obviously he hasn't been on stage against Supernatural. Eminem is hardly a freestyler.

I hate snoop dogg. D O double KISS MY ASS. Gah, shit rap. It puts the genre to shame.

Note to you - look up better music, and possibly research what you say. Eminem .... bragging rights, ha, hardly. More like Bitching Rights. All he can do is sing about one thing. I shut The Eminem Show off because I was sick and tired of hearing about him. Gah! Artist? Creative? hardly.
buddykiller wrote: fuck no kuz he can fucking rap
As well as you can spell. Fancy that.
buddykiller wrote:well so can eminem fuck anybody who wants to down on a guy just kuz he's got more talent than them, and everybody bitches kuz he bitched about napster, hey it's his music, let him say what he wants
Let me tell you something, there are few mainstream bands out there that can say "This is my music, no one elses." I guess you don't get the idea of Selling Out. Eminem owns a very small portion of his music once it gets shafted with the staff of a huge record label. That says "We have your music. We can do what we want with it, you don't have much say in it anymore."

There are certain bands out there, like TOOL, who haven't sold all the rights to their stuff to a major record label. Does their profit from their music decrease? yes, very much so. TOOL has a contract with their label, that gives them full creative, and artistic rights to whatever they do with music. So the label can say "why don't you..." and Maynard can casually give them the finger.

Radiohead also has this going.

True musicians. Not just people out to say "Here, I want to make it big." and bitch about it when they don't, hitting it big just comes to them. So fuck off with your "Eminem is such a great musican/rapper." bullshit. He's not, his music means nothing.
buddykiller wrote:there are very few rap artists that i like because alot of it's done been said and alot of it's recycled crap (puff daddy?)
Smell, that...it smells like ignorance.
Research artists such as: Aesop Rock, El-P, Beans, Anti-Pop Consortium, Dose One, Jurassic 5.
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SSJ Zero wrote:Then why the hell is he making music?

I'm seriously sick about hearing about how he doesn't care because in all reality he does and that's because of the millions he's pulling in everytime one of his "hits" gets played.
fuck you, yea he gets rich off of his music, but i'm sure if you had that kinda talent and you could make money off of it wouldn't you take advantage of it??????
I'm not speaking for Zero here, but I will say something.

NO! THATS PART OF BEING AN ARTIST YOU MORON! YOU DONT MAKE MUSIC TO MAKE MONEY! YOU DONT <b>SELL OUT</b>! YOU DONT WORRY ABOUT IT! IF YOU ARE AN ARTIST, YOU SHOULDNT CARE ABOUT INCOME! YOU MAKE MUSIC TO MAKE MUSIC AND HAVE EVERYONE HEAR IT! NOT BITCH ABOUT YOUR RECORDS NOT SELLING AND PEOPLE HATING YOU! AAAARG!

Fuck you man, you aren't an artist, and most likely never will be. You don't know what goes into music, you have no opinion. Get a union job and kiss my ass.
buddykiller wrote:the man is just making a living for fucks sake, whats wrong with that? and fuck no he don't care what people think about it
Really? Lets bring up Moby...I rest my case.
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buddykiller wrote:if he did he'd be all fucking clean, no drugs, no gay humor, none of that shit because he catches shit for that, but he just says fuck you, he's making music because he can and because it pays the fucking bills, anybody that says they wouldn't is a fucking hypocrite!
Why would people like me be a hypocrite? Well, lets get into somethings shall we?

<b><i>"Music is" 101</i></b>
Your instructor today is Zerophite.

Ok, today we will speak about music, what is it exactly?
Music is an art, a form of personal expression, something that comes from the soul. Music is actually, the only type of art that is not restricted to a subject matter. It's freeform, loose. Music is emotion, every instrument can be thought of as a different feeling, or represent a different situation or event that has occured, depending on the way the artist structures it.

Now, what is art? To be general and not get into it. Art is a form of self expression.

There are certain things that artists do, and no, this isn't just taken from my opinion, I've talked to many other people, non artists, artists, fellow musicians, fellow painters, authors, etc. One of the main things that goes against all art is, <b>making art for profit</b>, because once out go passed this, and start writing a book, a song, painting a picture, just for money, your art is no longer art <b>it's product</b>. Yes there is a difference children.

I'm not saying Eminem isn't an artist. I'm saying that you really have no fucking idea what you're talking about. If you described Eminem to a huge group of other musicians, using those same words, you'd get laughed away. No one would want to listen to him, no artist likes product. It not only goes against their views, but against everything they've based their life around. It's a mockery.

So would you take advantage of it? yes. Because you don't know what goes into music. Would I take advantage of it? no.

I'm not saying that all art should go profit free. Profitting is a perk. If you get money, it should be thought of as respect, that people like your stuff.

You make art, for other people to see/hear it, in hopes you find people that you can relate to on a higher level, a more psychological level. This is what music is made for, this is what art has been made for for centuries.

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