anti modern hiphop songs

azulmagia · Post by **azulmagia** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 9:05 pm

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Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 9:20 pm

You got the definitions a little confused bum!

Personally, I consider King f'n Crimson part of pop culture

I think the word to use here is 'mass culture'.

Pop culture can be good. Mass culture can't, really.

ithaqua · Post by **ithaqua** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 11:04 pm

Waxploitation Records

Teargas and Plateglass & Tha Alkoholiks are pretty decent non-stupid ass gangsta hip hop.

King Britt deserves love too.

Vlad86 · Post by **Vlad86** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:29 am

bum wrote:well here's an example

xibit - paparazzi

Song lyrics here

Most of those lyrics were giberish. The only reason they were all together in that song was becasue they rhymed

That's why I don't like rap. Well that and its mostly talking(or rhyming!) fast to a beat, which more often then not, is very repetetive.

I agree with Otohiko and the "mass culture" thing.
The sad thing about mass culture, is everyone goes around talking like a 'thug (or whatever the hell they're supposed to be). It almost like they're speaking a foreign language

Orgy is also pop culture, as it is "popular" with some people, but I would never want Orgy to go mass culture. (I think Oto feels the same way about King Crimson)

Just a thought, what would the opposite of mass culture be?
cult culture?

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:51 am

Hardcore niche culture, I suppose?

No, there are probably some very exclusive types of music which can only be understood by a limited group of people, as if they 'speak' in a 'code language' which makes no sense to anyone else.

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The usual opposite of pop music is academic music. Although sometimes the two get very near.

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As for the song - well, out of there, the chorus makes good sense

It's a shame
niggaz in the rap game
only for the money and the fame

Which, I suppose, is quite true.

Now... the second and third verses made me laugh out loud because of a certain asociation. Check this out:

I don't need no lights no cameras
just action god dammit
never no superstar
I'm more like a planet
so my composure is kept while others start to sweat
A merchant from the fog with my fucked up dialogue
try to live high on the hog leaves you bankrupt
and niggaz you spent it on, would not give a fuck
now that's deep, how deep, It's deeper than Atlantis
Home of the scandalous
Big Bad Los Angeles
Dangerous, Vandelous
Yo, not to be trusted
so how the fuck is you hard
not being scared by the boulevard
I'm pulling that card and sayin Gin muthafuckar
flowin like liquid, soak it in muthafuckar
I'm breakin it down, my sounds, so crowds are like deaf
from the West
puttin whole counties to the test
it's all in perspective
Breaker one-nine copy
this is for the niggaz gettin caught up in the Paparazzi

Niggaz smoke stress and cross dress
but I just play the back
others going through schemes and pipe dreams
for a contract
real tightly rolled, fuck 'em all how I feel
I made a cool half mil
before I had a record deal
there for you look and stare like it's magic
too much of anything can make you an addict
when devils be startin static, forgot the automatic
I set it off straight, I spread hate, then I vacate, but wait
who dare to cross this path
yo, I do ya like math
cut with glass, make a blood bath
so on behalf of all niggaz I get drunk with
smoke a lot of blunts with
I dispose of your punk shit
keep it all in perspective
Carbon Copies gettin caught up in the Paparazzi

Tell me something.... has xibit been hanging with Robert Fripp? And, why they hell did you not join me in calling for a stop to fetishizing the inherent and delineated meanings of music[/b]?

Just for those lines, I love that songs. Fripp rap!

bum · Post by **bum** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:34 am

Vlad86 wrote:
That's why I don't like rap. Well that and its mostly talking(or rhyming!) fast to a beat, which more often then not, is very repetetive.

thiers something about rap that makes it the only style of music that can ever sound good when its doen freestyle. its (in the case of real rappers) blunt, honest and comes straight from the heart. its the absolute outcry of ones emotions put to a song

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:42 am

As an aside BTW, I don't have anything against Rap, BUT...

...personally, I always saw it as a genre of poetry rather than music. Since, really, it fits within the attributes of poetry well, while musically it's very minimal to say the least.

bum · Post by **bum** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:02 pm

then again, music is a form of poetry

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 2:29 pm

That depends on who you ask. I don't suppose Mother Hold The Candle Steady While I Shave The Chicken's Lip is very poetic

Maybe there's just a negative image I get from local rap listeners and their cars who set their subwoofers to high outside my window

All you hear is steady beats in 4/4 and, frankly, that's as far as the musicality goes. I'd prefer a bit of melody or harmony at least...

Minimalistic music though - possibly. In any case, as I said, I got nothing against them.

And yea, word, the new-age commercial 'wigger' culture pisses me off, and I think it's fair to blame the 'modern rap' (as you call it) or 'mass culture rap' (as I call it) for its' widespreadedness...

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 2:41 pm

I'm with Otohiko on this one. Very little rap has much musicality to it. I've always considered it a form of poetry (which is inherently about expression). Modern music has fallen away from poetry, which isn't a bad thing necessarily, and it fits in more with entertainment.

Personally I hate most rap. Most of it is just so silly.

And it's not the only style of music that sounds good freestyle. If by freestyle you mean without any sort of preparation. Liquid Tension Experiment is a metal band, and the last song on their first CD is all recorded as it was first played, with no edits.

It's an awesome song. And it's 28 minutes long. (omg I rhymed, I'm rapper deluxe!)