Battle of the Bands

[Ingow]

Which is precisely what Zappa is trying to do anyway. Joke's on you if you get tripped up on it

Jesus fuck are you serious? That might've been pretty cool in his time but nowadays that's just Bloodhound Gang mentality. Avant-Garde artists are fucking ridiculous, enjoy your red circles on a canvas that represent the inner depths of the human soul.

I read up on him, and it's cool that he was able to do classical composing, but how does that help me when I just don't like any of his guitar work and normal rock albums? I might listen to those orchestrial works but honestly if you'd base the importance of music only on cold hard facts all we should be listening to is Bach, Mozart & Mahler and nothing else because everything else is garbage compared to classic.

Summoning - 26 SAVE
Led Zeppelin - 20
Ajattara - 10
James Blunt - 8
Moonspell - 26 KILL
Frank Zappa - 22

[Taokato]

Summoning - 26
Led Zeppelin - 22 SAVE
Ajattara - 10
James Blunt - 6 KILL
Moonspell - 26
Frank Zappa - 22

[Otohiko]

Summoning - 26
Led Zeppelin - 22
Ajattara - 10
James Blunt - 4 KILL
Moonspell - 26
Frank Zappa - 24 SAVE

I'm of a different mindset on that. There's one huge difference between the Bloodhound Gang, red-circle artists and Zappa: beneath the ridiculous lyrics there is some really awesome, creatively-arranged, polyrhythmic and otherwise interesting music going on, featuring some of the best musicians of their time doing their best work. Fuck the lyrics (or just laugh at them) - but musically, it's honestly just really interesting, top-notch work IMHO. If you can't tell the difference between that and the Bloodhound Gang, I think you should be worried. That's what I was getting at. I saw Zappa Plays Zappa last year; Dweezil ain't his dad, even if he's a superb musician, but otherwise it pretty much solidified my faith in even Zappa's more popular band work. The anti-pretension, fuck-all sentiment is vaguely the same as the original punk movement, but IMHO Zappa's musicianship while maintaining that sentiment puts punk as such to shame.

[Sayedee]

Summoning - 26
Led Zeppelin - 22
Ajattara - 10
James Blunt - 2 (kill)
Moonspell - 28 (save)
Frank Zappa - 24

[Kevmaster]

Summoning - 26
Led Zeppelin - 24 SAVE
Ajattara - 10
3 - 20 NEW
Moonspell - 28
Frank Zappa - 24

Hall of Fame:
Nine Inch Nails
ASHES dIVIDE
Porcupine Tree
The Mars Volta
Opeth
Portishead
Dark Tranquillity
Tool
Machinae Supremacy
A Perfect Circle
Celldweller
Metallica
Dresden Dolls
Meshuggah
Dimmu Borgir
Agalloch
Dream Theater
Emilie Autumn
Death
System of a Down
Between the Buried and Me
Nevermore
Isis
My Bloody Valentine
Katatonia
Children of Bodom
Black Light Burns
Bloodbath
Cynic
Amon Amarth
Black Sabbath
Dog Fashion Disco
Buckethead
Boris
Equilibrium
Kamelot
Burzum
Gojira
B.B. King
Novembre
Modwheelmood
Steven Wilson
Alcest
Blonde Redhead
Ayreon
Scarling.
Novembers Doom
Shining
Wolves in the Throne Room
Deathspell Omega
Nocte Obducta
Puscifer
Ill Niño
Pink Floyd
Eluveitie - 40 SAVE

Hall of Shame:
Linkin Park
Iced Earth
In Flames
Def Leppard
Broadcast
Angelspit
Edenbridge
Manowar
Radiohead
Queens of the Stone Age
Rammstein
Dir En Grey
DragonForce
Muse
Slipknot
Nightwish
Lord Belial
Sentenced
Limp Bizkit
Deftones
Marilyn Manson
Lords of Acid
Rob Zombie
DICK4DICK
Blood Stain Child
Tenacious D
Mayhem
植松伸夫 (Nobuo Uematsu)
dredg
Killswitch Engage
Rotting Christ
Melvins
The Jonas Brothers
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Paris Hilton
Fall Out Boy
Avenged Sevenfold
I Set My Friends On Fire
Cradle of Filth
Coldplay
Papa Roach
Astrobrite
Chiasm
Mindless Self Indulgence
Atreyu
Lil' Wayne
The Fall of Troy
Silverstein
65DaysofStatic
Decyfer Down
Guns N' Roses
Sixx:A.M.
My Dying Bride
James Blunt - 0 KILL

[Ingow]

stuff

I can agree with pretty much all of this, mostly because it doesn't make Zappa sound like that much of a genius/god anymore and isn't total fanboy talk. The musicians were doing great stuff and the music sounds interesting. But I'm still not buying the whole 'THIS GUY INFLUENCED EVERYTHING IN MUSIC'-speech and I never will. The guy isn't perfect, especially since you basically just told me to ignore all of the lyrics since they're so ridiculously cheesy. I can't do that 'Fuck the lyrics'-thing, never could. That's probably why I can listen to hip-hop when most other musically interested people can't anymore (because musically there is just nothing going on there in rap). I can only ignore lyrics when I don't understand them at all, hence my love for brutal death metal.

If you can't tell the difference between that and the Bloodhound Gang, I think you should be worried.

That part was only about the lyrics, since it was all that band had that one could talk about.

The anti-pretension, fuck-all sentiment is vaguely the same as the original punk movement, but IMHO Zappa's musicianship while maintaining that sentiment puts punk as such to shame.

Uhm, I might be wrong here but I think Punk would've pretty much sold out its basic concept and ideas if they'd have gone for the whole complex polyrhythmic thing. The main idea of Fuck-All also includes not being a music student and pretty much doing as little work as needed for the end product. Punk was meant to be raw and simple.

Summoning - 28 SAVE
Led Zeppelin - 24
Ajattara - 10
3 - 20
Moonspell - 26 KILL (I can keep on doing this forever just as well... ;>)
Frank Zappa - 24

[Tono_Fyr]

Summoning - 28
Led Zeppelin - 24
Ajattara - 10
3 - 22 Save
Moonspell - 24 Kill
Frank Zappa - 24

I'm not going to consistently kill Moonspell, but a lot of what I've heard has been relatively mediocre.

Frank Zappa was really important. And, being able to appreciate comedy in all forms, I can certainly enjoy both the music and the lyrics of his works at the same time.

And if Oto was talking about Robert Fripp, then you could call it fanboyism. Zappa really is just that good.

And punk sucks dick for exactly that reason.

[ShatteredFlame]

Summoning - 28
Led Zeppelin - 24
Ajattara - 8 KILL
3 - 24 SAVE
Moonspell - 24
Frank Zappa - 24

[Fall_Child42]

And punk sucks dick for exactly that reason.

Yeah for sure, all punk is the same and can be boiled down to an oversimplified and vague description, therefore it sucks!

[ShatteredFlame]

Summoning - 28
Led Zeppelin - 24
Ajattara - 6 KILL
3 - 26 SAVE
Moonspell - 24
Frank Zappa - 24