What kind of music does everybody like?

son_goten · Post by **son_goten** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 5:07 am

vlad : from what i've seen the majority is rock/pop

1.metal is stupid very stupid
2.there are too many stuff that suck i want to listen to that jimi hendrix or whatever his name is it's even tupac's fav' artist and 'pac can't be worng
but i downloaded one of his song and that quality sucked so much balls that i could'nt hear what he is playin'/singin'
3.lol

there are even hence instrumentals
pianos guitars and others
a lot but they most of the timez mix the with the beats

Yeah the tune is a very important part of the song

not in all rap song but there are some song where the lyrics are very important
and if you want a song that the vocals flow harmoniously into the song
first off bob marley is the best in doin' that
and tupac's "dear mama" is a song with instruments
"flow harmoniously" into the song like many other rap song even that u may not find a lot of gangsta-rappers that really "flow harmoniously" into the song there are rappers like tupac/nas/fugees
that use instrumentes and "flow harmoniously"

Otohiko: so what you're sayin' is that let's say "cali luv"(you know the song right?) you like the beats but you want to stick to the onez you know 'cause they impress you more?
why do they impress you more 'cause they know how to play a piano/drums?
i don't get why do you find them more impressive 'cause there are very impressive rap instumentals with pianos drums giutar or any instument you want

so may you tell me why do you find these instumentals more impressive?

Chef:u phukkin' stupid dumb-ass so what? i don't phukkin' know any mutha-phukkin' thang 'bout metal it's not lyk i listen 2 this sheet

& now u wanna tell me what 2 say i'll say anything i want so STFU

& btw that "Alternative" sounds stupid

Kai Stromler · Post by **Kai Stromler** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 5:46 am

If I hadn't given up all hope of rationality from you, I would be pissed off again.

son_goten wrote:1.metal is stupid very stupid

The reason that this statement pisses metalheads off is that most of us play instruments and have objective standards for stupidity in music. You probably just mean that you don't personally like it, something which we have little input over. However, our frame of reference infers the adjective "stupid", in a musical context, to mean "poorly plotted or executed". This is just flat wrong. A quick listen around some Meshuggah, Theory In Practice, Opeth, Agalloch, Zyklon, or Dream Theater will quickly defeat this mindset.

You can continue to dislike these groups. But you can't continue to say that "metal musicians, as a class, don't know what they're doing instrumentally".

son_goten wrote:Otohiko: so what you're sayin' is that let's say "cali luv"(you know the song right?) you like the beats but you want to stick to the onez you know 'cause they impress you more?
why do they impress you more 'cause they know how to play a piano/drums?
i don't get why do you find them more impressive 'cause there are very impressive rap instumentals with pianos drums giutar or any instument you want

so may you tell me why do you find these instumentals more impressive?

The problem is that Oto regularly listens to music that is a lot more challenging than most people ever submit themselves to. It is the epitome of "acquired taste", though awesome in small doses. You may want to check out some of his videos for a better understanding; 'The Wasteland' is probably the best exemplar.

son_goten wrote:& btw that "Alternative" sounds stupid

Did you really just pick a fight with valeyard? Are you that desperate for attention? Sword, this thread's going to get bloody unreadable (as if it isn't already).

--K

Farlo · Post by **Farlo** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:09 am

again nicely said kai

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:29 am

Wow, this arguement is still going on?

son_goten · Post by **son_goten** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:46 am

i am not sayin' that i hate metal 'cause that is already known what i'm sayin' is that metal is just STUPID not 'cause i wanna pick a fight with anyone that's just my opinion and i think that from a lot of points metal sux
points:
-posers & only posers no realness is in the songs no soul it's all fake
-annoying instuments
-they fuckin' scream to sound cool that's the most pathetic sheet eva
and more

btw these bands u just said don't they scream in every song they have?
or hit the drums like they are bad guys

& u think i hav'nt heard metal?i heard some and that sounds so funny
plus the lyrics are all fake

i am now downloadin' 'The Wasteland'

& i don't want to pick a fight with anyone i'm just sayin' the truth of what i thought while readin' the "Alternative" History

FoolThemAll · Post by **FoolThemAll** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:52 am

Kai Stromler wrote:You can continue to dislike these groups. But you can't continue to say that "metal musicians, as a class, don't know what they're doing instrumentally".
--K

A lot of them don't know what they're doing vocally, though. Unless they're intentionally wearing their Cookie Monster influences on their sleeve.

But yeah, the instrumentation is often amazing, usually surpassing what's done nowadays in rock, rap, pop, ect. It's just that with bands like Dimmu Borgir and Soilwork, the instrumentals don't quite make up for the vocals. In my mind.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:48 am

Thanks again for another good post Kai. Frankly, I'm ashamed I can't stay cool enough in discussions like that. Now...

Kai Stromler wrote: The problem is that Oto regularly listens to music that is a lot more challenging than most people ever submit themselves to. It is the epitome of "acquired taste", though awesome in small doses.

Good summary, except for me it's anything but small doses lately. (I've listened to at least 4 hours of King Crimson a day... followed by another hour of Captain Beefheart, and then some more varied stuff in the last week).

But certainly acquired taste, which (as I probably said somewhere in this thread) is why I really don't go out recommending my music to everyone - except maybe in small doses.

My view of my own tastes: it's not very outwardly fun music that you can just chill to and sit there chatting to your friends. It'll frustrate the hell out of my lifelong-professional-musician dad, let alone people who are just used to having something appropriate to provide a soundtrack to their life. It's music that you just have to sit there and put your whole attention into, sort of like solving some sort of puzzle. And, as a fact, I know that most people would rather do something else than sit there and try to decode things in music. The good thing, for me, is that it's music that keeps on giving new things to catch years down the road.

Now, does that make me better than other people, or my music better than other music? Hell no. To me, that just shows that music is as much 'what' you listen to as 'how' and 'why', and sometimes 'where' you listen to it. I think I've found the right way of listening to my music. If you have found that for yours - great! Just don't think that yours is the only solution.

Moonlight Soldier · Post by **Moonlight Soldier** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 3:01 pm

son_goten wrote: <blah blah blah>

& i don't want to pick a fight with anyone i'm just sayin' the truth of what i thought while readin' the "Alternative" History

1. You are confusing the word stupid for ignorance.

2. You cannot support any of your above points since you lack all possible forms of persuasive technique. You do nothing more than make yourself sound ignorant.

3. You are indeed entitled to your opinion, which you have made quite clear. However, the fact remains that you continue to instigate this debate where others are merely presenting their opinion to the rest of the forum. You have done nothing more than bash other people's opinions and even them personally. The in itself implies that you have started a 'fight'.

4. The members of this forum are in no way responsible for changing your views on music. You are not responsible for changing their views. This is an exchange of ideas, not a juvenile spat over who's better than who. Quite frankly it appalls me that they are wasting their intelligence on someone who can't even appreciate it.

/Wonders if you will prove my point further by typing another butchered-english rebuttal.

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:16 pm

Moonlight Soldier wrote:/Wonders if you will prove my point further by typing another butchered-english rebuttal.

You can bet it will be. Son_goten is too stupid to do otherwise.

Kai Stromler · Post by **Kai Stromler** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:41 pm

FoolThemAll wrote:
Kai Stromler wrote:You can continue to dislike these groups. But you can't continue to say that "metal musicians, as a class, don't know what they're doing instrumentally".
--K
A lot of them don't know what they're doing vocally, though. Unless they're intentionally wearing their Cookie Monster influences on their sleeve.

I would not be at all surprised to find out that GWAR were majorly influenced by Cookie Monster.

Joking aside, it's quite difficult to do extreme vocals for any significant stretch of time. The true deathgrowl and blackscream styles are created by putting pressures on the voicebox via neck muscles that it wasn't really designed for, and people who can do it well for hour-long sets definitely get my respect. Of course, a lot of bands can't, and their live sound suffers thereby. Of course, it's not for everyone; extreme vocals came out of the Tampa/NYC brutality arms race where everyone was trying to set the new level in sickness.

And anyways, Dimmu has the wrong guy singing...Vortex's work with Borknagar kills Shagrath dead, and they've got him stuck behind the bass.

--K