Eminem wins an Oscar!

[Zerophite]

Oh yeah, and get rid of your bottom banner, it's fucking stupid. I'm anti-war and I hate that. Being that the century has only been here for little over 2 years. It strikes me as retarded. Last century was filled with more death and destruction. This little incident is nothing.

[Titus]

1. M&M's music is unoriginal, and like every other rappers music, except he cant seem to get off the subject of "FUCK YOU FAG"

2. If M&M's music was original, its still extremely ignorant.


In fact, i dont care, that eminem doesnt care (about my bitches) Fuck M&M

M&M Fucking sucks.

[buddykiller]

Zerophite:

you sound like the indie movie bitches, the kind that hates movies just because their from hollywood o_O...

You think Eminem earned his bragging rights by freestyling? Obviously he hasn't been on stage against Supernatural. Eminem is hardly a freestyler.

hmmm, thats why he's openly challanged anybody to a freestyle? i'm not saying the best but i'm saying he's pretty damn good and he can pull more shit out of his ass than anybody i have yet to hear, and who the fuck is supernatural? like i said you sound like an indie bitch whining because he's popular not because he actually sucks

I hate snoop dogg. D O double KISS MY ASS. Gah, shit rap. It puts the genre to shame.

shit rap eh? thats why he makes more money in a year than you'll probably ever see in your pathetic existance called a life huh?

Note to you - look up better music, and possibly research what you say. Eminem .... bragging rights, ha, hardly. More like Bitching Rights. All he can do is sing about one thing. I shut The Eminem Show off because I was sick and tired of hearing about him. Gah! Artist? Creative? hardly.

look up better music? fuck you, i listen to what i like not what everybody thinks is kewl, or whatever is underground just because it's underground, hmmm lets see eminem has covered more issues than you think, yea he talks alot about himself but lets see.... EVERYBODY does that, esp in the world of rap, most rap artists are all about how many hos they've got, how much dope the smoke ect... at least he talks about more than that, even in death metal, alot of bands are all about killing shit, well lets see who are they talkin about killing everything? i can't think of ANY band that doesn't mention themselves at least once on every fucking album.

As well as you can spell. Fancy that.

well pardon me for not being a fucking human word processor mr. fucking perfect o_O

Let me tell you something, there are few mainstream bands out there that can say "This is my music, no one elses." I guess you don't get the idea of Selling Out. Eminem owns a very small portion of his music once it gets shafted with the staff of a huge record label. That says "We have your music. We can do what we want with it, you don't have much say in it anymore."

fuck you, who are you to say what is and what isn't selling out? your idea of selling out apparantly is making money off something your good at and something you enjoy, but to do that you have to cut a deal with some motherfucker to where he gets money for his share of the work, so according to you ANY band that is signed to a record lable that gets any money what-so-ever off the band is a fucking sell out, god your a fucking MORON

There are certain bands out there, like TOOL, who haven't sold all the rights to their stuff to a major record label. Does their profit from their music decrease? yes, very much so. TOOL has a contract with their label, that gives them full creative, and artistic rights to whatever they do with music. So the label can say "why don't you..." and Maynard can casually give them the finger.

Radiohead also has this going.

two good bands, yes, but according to you they are sell outs just like eminem, maybe they "own more" of their own music but the record label still makes money off of them, people other than the members of the bands still get money off of them so i guess they sold out too huh?

True musicians. Not just people out to say "Here, I want to make it big." and bitch about it when they don't, hitting it big just comes to them. So fuck off with your "Eminem is such a great musican/rapper." bullshit. He's not, his music means nothing.

so i guess eminem just waved a magic wand and said ok i'm big, bullshit, he had to work just as hard as any person in the music industry to make it big, he still has to have talent to make it big, so what if dre helped him by hookin him up with a studio or a record label, the man still has to have talent to make it

Smell, that...it smells like ignorance.
Research artists such as: Aesop Rock, El-P, Beans, Anti-Pop Consortium, Dose One, Jurassic 5.

the only artist there i've ever heard of is jurassic 5 and no it's not because i just watch mtv because quite frankly i hate mtv, i heard of jurassic 5 via sputnik7.com, and i'm sure that once they make it big you'll be saying the same damn thing that your saying now about eminem, and if they where so good don't you think more people would like them? i hate to down on bands i don't know but yea, if they where as good as your making them out to be they'd be plastered all over mtv, kuz like i said it takes talent to make it big, your starting to remind me of a stupid metal head that downs on cradle of filth just because their starting to get popular when they where all about cof in the days of the principle of evil made flesh, just like those stupid ass metal heads your just trying to look cool to all your un-trendy friends that hate on anything thats popular or trendy just because it is....

NO! THATS PART OF BEING AN ARTIST YOU MORON! YOU DONT MAKE MUSIC TO MAKE MONEY! YOU DONT SELL OUT! YOU DONT WORRY ABOUT IT! IF YOU ARE AN ARTIST, YOU SHOULDNT CARE ABOUT INCOME! YOU MAKE MUSIC TO MAKE MUSIC AND HAVE EVERYONE HEAR IT! NOT BITCH ABOUT YOUR RECORDS NOT SELLING AND PEOPLE HATING YOU! AAAARG!

Fuck you man, you aren't an artist, and most likely never will be. You don't know what goes into music, you have no opinion. Get a union job and kiss my ass.

once again, here we go with the indie movie bitching and the whole sell out thing, has eminem every bitched about not selling albums? no, not even when he wasn't very well known, and as far as bitching about people hating you, everybody fucking does that, he makes it a part of his music and bitch slaps them making them look like the idiots they are, he is an artist because he has talent, and fyi, i do know what goes into music, i've seen music drive a man fucking crazy and bring him back from it, i've seen music stress a guy out so fucking much it's all he can do to go to fucking school, no i'm not an artist, i don't have enough talent to be in the music industry, i can't draw, i can't do anything like that, but that doesn't mean a damn thing it's just a talent i don't have

Really? Lets bring up Moby...I rest my case.
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what the hell does moby have to do with any of this? oooo owned i'm so fucking scared o_O

Why would people like me be a hypocrite? Well, lets get into somethings shall we?

because your too proud to admit that if you could make money singing, playing an instrument, raping, ect... than you'd fucking jump at the opertunity

Ok, today we will speak about music, what is it exactly?
Music is an art, a form of personal expression, something that comes from the soul. Music is actually, the only type of art that is not restricted to a subject matter. It's freeform, loose. Music is emotion, every instrument can be thought of as a different feeling, or represent a different situation or event that has occured, depending on the way the artist structures it.

Now, what is art? To be general and not get into it. Art is a form of self expression.

music and art neither have a definition set in stone because a child banging on a pot is making music, it doesn't have to sound good to everybody just the person thats making it, that is music and art.

There are certain things that artists do, and no, this isn't just taken from my opinion, I've talked to many other people, non artists, artists, fellow musicians, fellow painters, authors, etc. One of the main things that goes against all art is, making art for profit, because once out go passed this, and start writing a book, a song, painting a picture, just for money, your art is no longer art it's product. Yes there is a difference children.

just because you talk to your little friends about it doesn't make it a fact, it's still opinion, and based on this paragraph than the fucking mona lisa is not art, what kind of fucking moron are you? when todd mcfarlane creates an action figure it is an art form, when eminem writes a song or a rap, it's fucking music, when (insert random band name here) makes a record it's fucking music, when my grandfather wistles thats music, when the wind blows and causes the limbs of a tree to scratch a window it's fucking music, music is all around us, the tree is art, created by nature... there is no classification for this shit, it's all art, when i create a webpage that page is an extension of myself and is art....

I'm not saying Eminem isn't an artist. I'm saying that you really have no fucking idea what you're talking about. If you described Eminem to a huge group of other musicians, using those same words, you'd get laughed away. No one would want to listen to him, no artist likes product. It not only goes against their views, but against everything they've based their life around. It's a mockery.

this has gone beyond what eminem is, is he an artist? well does he create something that he enjoys, that he likes, and that nobody has ever created? yes, than he is an artist, i don't give a shit if they'd laugh at me, they'd laugh at me because their a big group of egotistical assholes just like you trying to be un-trendy by hating everything that is trendy, no artist likes product? than thats a starving artist who doesn't wanna make a damn dime off of what he was naturaly given

So would you take advantage of it? yes. Because you don't know what goes into music. Would I take advantage of it? no.

I'm not saying that all art should go profit free. Profitting is a perk. If you get money, it should be thought of as respect, that people like your stuff.

lets say you wrote a song and you sang that song and you recorded yourself singing that song, somebody hears it and comes along and says "hey, i like that, and i let some of my friends hear it and they like it, how would you like it if i gave you studio time, production, packaging, advertising, ect... and then gave you 80% of the profits made?" you'd turn that down? you know you wouldn't! profitting is a perk eh? as long as none of it goes to anybody else eh? or until it goes over a certain cap right??

You make art, for other people to see/hear it, in hopes you find people that you can relate to on a higher level, a more psychological level. This is what music is made for, this is what art has been made for for centuries.

no, you make art for yourself, nobody else, some people are just lucky enough to be able to sell that art, if your making art for ANYBODY other than yourself than your a fool and your making nothing more than a pathetic attempt at making contact...

Oh yeah, and get rid of your bottom banner, it's fucking stupid. I'm anti-war and I hate that. Being that the century has only been here for little over 2 years. It strikes me as retarded. Last century was filled with more death and destruction. This little incident is nothing.

yea, thats what makes it sad, these people have already killed or have damned so many to being killed in only 2 years, making this century look very fucking dull..... and i guess my "art" just doesn't "relate to you on a higher, psychological level" huh?

[JustinCredible]

1. M&M's music is unoriginal, and like every other rappers music, except he cant seem to get off the subject of "FUCK YOU FAG"

Every other rapper's music is unoriginal... wow... did you take a poll?

[Zerophite]

you sound like the indie movie bitches, the kind that hates movies just because their from hollywood o_O...

Actually, the truth is the exact opposite, nice try though on the whole stereotyping deal, too bad it didn't work.

hmmm, thats why he's openly challanged anybody to a freestyle? i'm not saying the best but i'm saying he's pretty damn good and he can pull more shit out of his ass than anybody i have yet to hear, and who the fuck is supernatural? like i said you sound like an indie bitch whining because he's popular not because he actually sucks

Supernatural just happens to be one of the greatest freestylers of all time. He's not underground at all, so don't flap your lip. Other good freestylers, Rahzel, Dose One.

Hey, nice personal attack, it shows your maturity level now doesn't it? Grow the fuck up.

shit rap eh? thats why he makes more money in a year than you'll probably ever see in your pathetic existance called a life huh?

[sarcasm]I never knew this, thanks for clearing it up for me. The better you rap, the more money you have. I was wrong all this time.[/sarcasm]

Let me clear something up with you. How much money you make isn't dependent on whether you are good. I could give a shit how much money he has, he still sucks, he will always suck. There's nothing that makes Snoop D O dizzle shizzle good, besides the over use of "izzle", because that just makes me laugh.

You didn't prove anything with that statement, nice try again though.

look up better music? fuck you, i listen to what i like not what everybody thinks is kewl, or whatever is underground just because it's underground, hmmm lets see eminem has covered more issues than you think, yea he talks alot about himself

hahaha, hold on, I can write songs about myself too. You still aren't proving anything. I think you need to go back to grade school.

EVERYBODY does that, esp in the world of rap, most rap artists are all about how many hos they've got, how much dope the smoke ect...

<b>Add +20 modifier to ignorance</b>
I don't really need to say anything else to that.

like I said, look up other rappers, you'll find out otherwise. Educate yourself, idiot.

even in death metal, alot of bands are all about killing shit, well lets see who are they talkin about killing everything? i can't think of ANY band that doesn't mention themselves at least once on every fucking album.

There's a difference between mentioning yourself, and <b>constantly singing about yourself</b>. He's stupid, he can't think of anything else to talk about, like world view, things that matter, political issues, etc. He even said "fuck school, I'm too cool to go back" in one of his songs. Looks like he should have, maybe it could have given him more insight.

Looks like you need to go back to school as well.

well pardon me for not being a fucking human word processor mr. fucking perfect o_O

LOL...no...not with you

fuck you

Hey, that +20 modifier worked, whoda thunk it?

who are you to say what is and what isn't selling out? your idea of selling out apparantly is making money off something your good at and something you enjoy

Selling out is:
Changing yourself, your music, what you do, or even excepting money in order to gain the approval of others and get more money.

Moby is a sell out as well.

Nice try and putting words in my mouth, +20 to me owning you...enough said.

but to do that you have to cut a deal with some motherfucker to where he gets money for his share of the work

www.definitivejux.net

No deals cut, no selling out, just true rap, not talking about themselves, rarely swearing because they have something called a "vocabulary" maybe you should read the dictionary as well.

so according to you ANY band that is signed to a record lable that gets any money what-so-ever off the band is a fucking sell out, god your a fucking MORON

Look at yourself, I didn't say anything of that, you're just assuming, nice try though at putting WORDS IN MY MOUTH YET AGAIN. Read what is said, don't read what you thought was said.


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Alright, I'll admit, I didn't read the rest of that because it's not worth my time. You made points that weren't valid through what I did respond to, and you assumed quite a bit.

My advice to you:
Join a debate class. Because you suck at it...not like, a little, but a lot.
Read a dictionary, there are more words than fuck in the english language.
Insulting someone over and over again, just makes you look stupid if you don't prove a point. Nice try and getting some of that teenage angst out though, maybe you should go scream at your parents instead, or beat your sibling....or get beat up by your sibling.

Realize that -
Just because someone is popular, doesn't make them good. Infact, it usually proves the opposite in most cases. I'm not saying in every case though so don't try and shove that down my throat, like you seem to like to do.
There's more out there than what's played on the radio, and yes, most of it is far superior. Some of it can be made an exception.

<b><i>Grow up, educate yourself, learn about new forms of rap.</i></b>

I was going to make this a "I didn't read your post because your a fucking idiot" type post, but I stomached half of your idiocy.

[buddykiller]

[sarcasm]I never knew this, thanks for clearing it up for me. The better you rap, the more money you have. I was wrong all this time.[/sarcasm]

Let me clear something up with you. How much money you make isn't dependent on whether you are good. I could give a shit how much money he has, he still sucks, he will always suck. There's nothing that makes Snoop D O dizzle shizzle good, besides the over use of "izzle", because that just makes me laugh.

You didn't prove anything with that statement, nice try again though.

ok, so let me get this strait... the more you suck the more money you get??? shit i'm doin' the wrong fuckin thing than, i should be a fucking rapper fo shizzle o_O

hahaha, hold on, I can write songs about myself too. You still aren't proving anything. I think you need to go back to grade school.

anybody can write songs about themselves... but unlike eminem and everybody else in the music industry, you lack the talent to make it sound good...

Add +20 modifier to ignorance
I don't really need to say anything else to that.

like I said, look up other rappers, you'll find out otherwise. Educate yourself, idiot.

o_O name one rapper that doesn't rap about himself, drugs, or sex, i dare ya

There's a difference between mentioning yourself, and constantly singing about yourself. He's stupid, he can't think of anything else to talk about, like world view, things that matter, political issues, etc. He even said "fuck school, I'm too cool to go back" in one of his songs. Looks like he should have, maybe it could have given him more insight.

Looks like you need to go back to school as well.

uhm yea, it's called sarcasm and humor, apperantly you're too st..st...st.. stupid to understand that.
nobody ever just mentions themselves, if they talk about themselves it's the entire fucking song, great bands such as cannibal corpse, marduk, 311, dark funeral, pink floyd, the doors, ect... have written ENTIRE ALBUMS about themselves in one form or another, and i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that in fact if you analyze most albums that are on the market today over 60% of every album is about and/or talks about the band...

Selling out is:
Changing yourself, your music, what you do, or even excepting money in order to gain the approval of others and get more money.

Moby is a sell out as well.

Nice try and putting words in my mouth, +20 to me owning you...enough said.

yanno, i agree with the first three of your statements, selling out is changing yoruself, music, actions, ect... but uhm, "excepting money in order to gain the approval of other and get more money" that doesn't make sense at ALL, ok, i know there are people out there that are shallow enough to think higher of a person that is rich when compared to a poor person but uhm, musicians get paid for what they do, so their just doing their job and if others think highly of them because they get money than thats the stuck up assholes fault, and uhm getting more money, that comes with gaining more popularity last time i checked so uhm yea... you get more money because more people like you, that hasn't got a damn thing to do with selling out, it's what you do to get more money, which would refer to the first three statements, so going back to that, how has eminem done any of the three??? and putting words in your mouth? i did no such thing i basicly restated what you just said as it sounded to me, so if your afraid of that than think your words over more carefully

No deals cut, no selling out, just true rap, not talking about themselves, rarely swearing because they have something called a "vocabulary" maybe you should read the dictionary as well.

ok, so swearing automaticaly gives you a lower vocabulary??? where the hell did that come from, last time i checked cock, shit, cock, cunt, piss, fuck, damn, ass, bitch, and any other audible sound which could be refered to as swearing are all in fact, drum roll please, WORDS!!!! THEIR FUCKING WORDS!!! IMAGINE THAT!!!! so they in fact add to the vocabulary, the dictionary doesn't have all the words now does it? nope, not the last time i checked, they leave out slang and swear words so all those precious little children don't become violated by reading a fucking book, and the dictionary is hardly a place to get a vocabulary, i would suggest a thesaurus for that. no deals huh? damn, the motherfuckers arn't getting paid, sounds like a rip to me, what about you, or maybe.... yes! thats what their doing, putting out their stuff so they can get signed!!!! so they CAN cut a deal and so they CAN get paid

Look at yourself, I didn't say anything of that, you're just assuming, nice try though at putting WORDS IN MY MOUTH YET AGAIN. Read what is said, don't read what you thought was said.

no thats not what you said, but yanno what? what i said you said is what you said means, not exactly what you said, but how it is percieved

Alright, I'll admit, I didn't read the rest of that because it's not worth my time. You made points that weren't valid through what I did respond to, and you assumed quite a bit.

no assumation, just restating what you said, clarifying it if you will, and it's a pity you didn't read what i said, you probably did but coudln't come up for any smart ass comments for it

My advice to you:
Join a debate class. Because you suck at it...not like, a little, but a lot.
Read a dictionary, there are more words than fuck in the english language.
Insulting someone over and over again, just makes you look stupid if you don't prove a point. Nice try and getting some of that teenage angst out though, maybe you should go scream at your parents instead, or beat your sibling....or get beat up by your sibling.

so your "assumin" that i attend a school of some sort, and not a college because they don't have those classes, so your assuming that i'm down on your level, some pimple faced snot nosed brat in the 8th grade right? obviously theres alot more words than fuck, if you'd read what i type i say alot more words than fuck, fuck just happens to be my favorite words so.. fuck you ^_^ and seems to me that you insult me quite and awful lot, so lets see you look stupid too, isn't that nice? teenage angst? you mean that stupid shit that makes punks punky right? bah fuck that shit, and i have enough respect for my parents not to scream at them because some jerk-off know it all on the internet wants to critisize me, siblings? beat them up? clearly you come from a dysfunctional family, god help the poor soul damned to be your spouse, oh fuck what about your kids? they'll need alot more than any god can give them to live through your bullshit

Realize that -
Just because someone is popular, doesn't make them good. Infact, it usually proves the opposite in most cases. I'm not saying in every case though so don't try and shove that down my throat, like you seem to like to do.
There's more out there than what's played on the radio, and yes, most of it is far superior. Some of it can be made an exception.

ok, back to this again huh? the more you suck than the more money you make, the more cds you sale, the more people play you in their cars at an annoyingly loud level, the more concerts you sell out, and the more merchindise you sale huh? damn i'm in the wrong place i think i'm going to become a wigger rapper just like vanilla ice, i guess he rocks huh? i ain't heard him on the radio in fucking forever he MUST be fucking kkick ass, and yea there is alot out there thats not played on the radio but lets see, why arn't they played on the radio? for one of three reasons (1) not a big enough fan base, (2) nobody fucking likes them, they suck (3) they don't have a fucking record deal.

row up, educate yourself, learn about new forms of rap.

I was going to make this a "I didn't read your post because your a fucking idiot" type post, but I stomached half of your idiocy.

oh realy? well aint that nice? looks like you decided against that huh? if you decided against it, and it's of no relivancy then why say it? grow up eh? i can buy cigarettes that means ima growd up!!! mommy said so!!! new forms of rap, why would i wanna, i like what i like and apparently ALOT of people agree with me

[Lyrs]

wow....i'm amazed at the total number of words you guys actually use to say something that can take two.

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[Zerophite]

wow....i'm amazed at the total number of words you guys actually use to say something that can take two.

/end

I'm just amazed at how little this guy knows, and how he can't communicate at all. It's so funny, because it's like he's stoned everytime he posts.

ah, I'm done, this thread bores me now. :p

[FirestormXIII]

Ok, I'm not hopping into this argument, but everytime you open your mouth you're digging a deeper hole.


But there's one thing you keep insinuating that's pissing me off.

o_O name one rapper that doesn't rap about himself, drugs, or sex, i dare ya

Rap is bigger than those three things. At some point and time yes, almost every rapper mentions his/herself, but that's because it's a popular thing to do in some respects (if you can talk about yourself all the time then you must have hit it big, right?), but that doesn't mean it's what rap is. So don't make it out to be that way.
A lot of rappers rap about sex, drugs, hoes, killing people, and/or themselves all the time because they're vain. Suddenly getting rich gives people big heads (i.e.-50 cent, who not too long ago said he was better than Biggie. Yea, right )

Other rappers rap about those things because that's what they actually lived, and still there are others who do it to up their 'cred'.

The thing that separates good rappers (at least in the mainstream) from a lot of the crap that people hear all the time on the radio, is that good rappers inevitably stop bragging about themselves and rap about issues that are bigger than that, or closer to people's hearts.

Snoop Dog used to be good, and I still believe he has the talent to be good, but he's fallen into the trap caused by being who he is. He's just making money off that name now, not really because he's doing anything special anymore. And like I said before, there are plenty of other rappers who fall into the trap caused by fame.

Tupac, DMX, Nas, Biggie, and the like are good (in my opinion) because even though they did talk about themselves on occasion, that was never the focal point. They rapped about other things, "That's Just the Way It Is"-Tupac, "Who We Be"-DMX, "One Mic" & "I Can"-Nas, etc, etc, the list goes on for guys like them. Ever heard of NWA? They're the kind of group that really represented what rap was about: Speaking out about injustices and the things wrong with our country, and the things that went on in the inner-cities. Did they do it all the time? No, but they weren't stuck on themselves either. Even rappers like Trick Daddy have taken a step back recently and started rapping about bigger issues ("Thug Holiday", which is a song dedicated to the soldiers that fight for our country).

Eminem is alright, and he has the potential to be a great rapper, if he could just let go of his ego. But he can't seem to do that. I rest my case with this: In these crazy ass times, when we're at war and people are speaking out, rapping out, and singing out about issues bigger than themselves, what's Eminem doing? The same thing he's been doing since he got 'big': Rapping about how much people don't like him, how much he doesn't care about whether people like him, how much he hates everyone, and how he basically wants the world to kiss his ass. On occasion he throws in something that makes you think ("Middle America, now it's a tragedy") but face it, a large part of the reason behind it is so he can be 'controversial'.

So just don't pigeonhole rap like that, or any genre for that matter, it makes you sound ignorant.

[Zerophite]

Ok, I'm not hopping into this argument, but everytime you open your mouth you're digging a deeper hole.


But there's one thing you keep insinuating that's pissing me off.

o_O name one rapper that doesn't rap about himself, drugs, or sex, i dare ya

Yeah, it pisses me off as well >< he's an idiot, what can he say? :p