i love rap

borpii · Post by **borpii** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 5:02 pm

Oh, yeah. Well they were using big intellectual words and I was hyper...

FoolThemAll · Post by **FoolThemAll** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 7:22 pm

Nonagon wrote:If we were to objectively debate music, you can't throw in your own tastes, but tell us WHY it's the most talented or complex, and why everyone should think so. Casting aside personal opinions. Why are the lyrics so thoughtworthy and meaningful, compare them to famous poets. Bring in theory, <i>the music is talented because the constant variation in time signatures is hard to pull of well and keep a steady flow in the song.</i> Why is something creative, ( yes, creative ) prove how he/she may have merged two styles or how the structure is based off some form of natural poetry that no one's ever brought forth.

Avoid words such as: <i>good, bad, garbage, etc. etc.</i>

And there you go. Always back up your arguement with objective reason.
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Though, I've never seen anyone cast of their opinion for the outcome of objectivity. At least on this message board anyway.

I will agree that objective measures make for a more interesting debate, usually, as it beats "I like linkin park bcuz they rawk!" (they do, by the way). But it is my belief that in the case of music, the objective is subordinate to the subjective. Subjectivity can make complexity and talent moot. "They misused their talent/creativity and produced the mediocre Kid A." "Despite its simplicity, Yesterday remains one of the best songs of the 21st century." How do you prove such statements incorrect? I don't see a way. That is the point at which the hardline musical objectivists start the 'it's a fact you have bad taste' routine, sometimes in 1,000 word essays.

FoolThemAll · Post by **FoolThemAll** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 7:23 pm

Ugh, 20th century. lol

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 4:56 pm

Rap sucks complete ass.

All rappers do is write horrible lyrics and sing "rap" with them. They don't actually write the music they rap to either. Now I must credit them that I'm sure it's not that easy to rap as some rappers do, I know I'd get tounge tied and shit, however, is it really that hard either? I know TONS of kids that can clone rappers voices.

So lets break it down. A rapper isn't really a musician, so where does all their credibility come from? Their credibility comes from writing bad ass original lyrics and making a "gangsta" performance. Too bad rappers now a days don't even write their own lyrics. They get paid from companies like Nike to rap about their clothes and shit. And no, I'm not just making this up because I'm biased and hate rap, even MTV (the biggest money leeches in the world) have articles about this. They make like all their money off rappers and pop stars, yet even they had to post an article about it.

Rappers ideas arn't original. They get paid by some crappy clothing company to rap about wearing their clothes on the "east side" and then they just find crappy out of no where catch phrases that ryhme with the clothes.

Them getting paid to rap about crap like this is just one reason why I hate rap, there are many more.

As for hose of you that would say "If you don't like rap, why not just avoid this thread?" With a thread title such as "I Love Rap" You guys asked for it. It would keep out of a respectable looking thread such as "50 Cent" A thread title like "I Love Rap" just has attention whore written all over it.

Most kids like rap because of the awsome melodies and "beats" they can nod their head to and shit. Well, rappers don't write that crap, they write cheesy rhymes about Nike. If you like the actual music so much, maybe you should look into the people who wrote it, because all these famous rappers today sure as hell didn't do it. That's like saying Avril Lavigne write her own music.

RobLoge85 · Post by **RobLoge85** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 6:20 pm

Well said Jace.

borpii · Post by **borpii** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 6:33 pm

Wooohooo!

I admit today's rap has become commercialized, but the old school stuff is real! Have you heard Nas's "I Know I Can"? That was written for a noble cause, not money.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 11:23 pm

Insane Clown Posse is (hopefully was) a bunch of stupid Detroit fucks who only got a contract because they gave better head than the next guy. They even give each other and random strangers head when it's not needed, because that is just how gay they are. They can't rap, they can't play an instrument worth a damn, and they would have more dignity if they did watersports porn. Plus their parents and families are all stupid.

And juggaloes suck, too. Every single one of them is some crazy, indescribable color of trash, even if they aren't that indescribable skin color. The most pathetic hobo could beat me up and take a shit on me, and I'd still have a million times more dignity and cool than juggaloes.

Drive your Chevy van into the goats.cx man's and go to hell if you disagree.

Discuss.

frecklegirl03 · Post by **frecklegirl03** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 12:38 am

rap i ok but other music is much better

Farlo · Post by **Farlo** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 11:39 am

frecklegirl03 wrote:rap i ok but other music is much better

...what you decide not to love rap after other people say it sucks ass....

i swear the people that listen to popular music are sheep

Nonagon · Post by **Nonagon** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 11:53 am

Ugh, learn how to fucking argue without imposing your own goddamn opinion. You're all fucking morons ( except the one exception which actually posted intelligent thought ), esspecially you Jace. Die in a tidal wave already.