Eminem wins an Oscar!

BishounenStalker · Post by **BishounenStalker** » Tue Apr 01, 2003 9:04 pm

Ok, I'll admit I only read half of this thread because that's all I needed to see.

Buddykiller and people like him are the reason I want to take over the global shipping system and give everyone on the planet a Superman costume with the "wearing of this costume will not enable you to fly" tag removed. He and the millions who think like he does are the reason popular entertainment has been going down the toilet for the last 13 years.

I won't attempt to jump in on the good rap/bad rap issue a a whole, because I'm not a rap fan and my opinion on the matter wouldn't be valid at all. But I will say with complete confidence that I can't stand, won't listen to, and will rag on Eminem not because he's bad rap, but because he's a hate-spewing, uneducated bigot. But just as a side note, I can't remember which rapper said this about Eminem, but the quote sums it up beautifully: "Candy assed rapper, candy assed rap."

I WILL agree with everything Zerophite said regarding art and popularity. I just finished a class last semester on theories of mass culture, and Zero is ABSOLUTELY right. Buddykiller obviously has no clue what goes on in the marketing of entertainment, be it music, fashion, movies, or even soft drinks. The people in Eminem's marketing department, as well as in all departments across the globe of ANYTHING popular, have creaing an image literally down to a science. And apparently he's fallen for it hook, line, and sinker. Part of the aim of today's marketing, especially in music, is to make the consumer think they're being original and "buying what they like", but in reality all people like Buddykiller are doing is buying exactly what the suits behind the label want them to.

Being a fine artist (drawing) myself, I both understand agree with the art-is-not-for-money statement. And yes, by what he says it's safe to assume Buddykiller is not an artist of any sort, nor has he ever talked to an artist or an art professor. One prof I had a couple semesters ago always asked the same question on the first day of class: Why do you want to be an artist? And if a student gave an answer with the word "money" anywhere in it (unless the statement included a negative pertaining to that word), he told them to get out of his class. You don't have to make art for yourself to be an artist. You can make it for other people. You can make it for whatever reason you WANT....just NOT FOR MONEY! If you become an artist for the money, you'll starve.

And yes, you can still be a true artist and strike it rich, if the reason you continue to make the art is because you love doing it. If you continue because it's making you money (and thus, you WILL fall into the trap of riding trend waves as tastes change over time), then you have sold out and are no longer an artist.

As for Eminem winning the Oscar (read: back on topic), I believe he did not because he deserved it (which he didn't), but because the Academy Awards are trying to put up the facade that they aren't the bunch of snooty elitists that everyone knows they are. It's an appeasement award, nothing else. Basically a "You have your Oscar. Happy now?"

I choose to look on the bright side: perhaps winning the Oscar is an omen that his career is over in the next five years. We can hope

Wow! A whole post with no cursing! Who'da thunk?!

P.S. -- IMO, either Paul Simon's "Father and Daughter" (Wild Thornberrys movie) or "I Move On" from Chicago should've won the award.

zachthegnome · Post by **zachthegnome** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 1:05 pm

Eminem can freestyle, he won the blaze battles some year ago. He’s not a good rapper, he’s a "hip hop artist." Anyone who gets made on MTV looses all credibility because who watches mtv? Suburban kids with a complete lack of culture, knowledge and intelligence. I personally hate eminem, his songs are all the same and he sounds like a cartoon character. His lyrics are all about the same thing, his public image, and kids love that crap. I am one of those people that still like to call music an art, and believe it should have some meaning. The only rappers I see who have powerful lyrics are the ones that don’t make it to MTV because the little kids cant listen to it and say "hey he smokes weed and hates his mom just like I do!!!"
Just a few suggestions who think eminem is the most talented lyricist out there listen to:

RZA - any rapper who can reference goku and galvatron is awesome and deserves respect on a board like this

GZA - the song fame is completely organized by famous people's names and it amazing

Talib Kweli - he has some powerful lyrics against war and about current state of affairs in the world today

Mos Def - a true renaissance man when it comes to rap

Big L - if he was still alive today, I doubt anyone would have ever heard of eminem

Saul Williams - he is a slam poet who puts lots of his stuff to beats, his song with blackalicious and Zack De La Rocha of rage is really good

Dead Prez - although extremely militant, even a white Jew like me can respect their art

Rass Kass - the song nature of the threat is the untold history of the world

Basically, pop culture today is awful and leading to the fall of society, hopefully these things will pass.

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:56 pm

zachthegnome wrote: who can reference goku and galvatron is awesome and deserves respect on a board like this

Long Live Galvatron!

The Barenaked Ladies mentioned Sailor Moon in one of their songs. Do they get good marks from you?

zachthegnome wrote:pop culture today is awful and leading to the fall of society

I disagree. I think pop helps keep people away from the Dark Side. Who's more likely to shoot up their school: someone who listens to the Backstreet Boys, or... oh wait, you said pop culture. Never mind.

JustinCredible · Post by **JustinCredible** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:24 pm

the Black Monarch wrote:
zachthegnome wrote: who can reference goku and galvatron is awesome and deserves respect on a board like this
Long Live Galvatron!

The Barenaked Ladies mentioned Sailor Moon in one of their songs. Do they get good marks from you?

BNL always gets good marks from me!

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 4:36 am

I heard them do a version of "When Doves Cry," which was originally by Prince, and the BNL version sucked ass.

ProdigySim · Post by **ProdigySim** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 10:56 pm

Hey, I can agree with most of you that Eminem does some pretty bad songs, and it's really bad when people around you memorize them and start repeating them in public...
But this song was good. I loved it, especially the Radio Edit (Not a big fan of the big F, even though they only used it 2-3 times in this song).
I haven't seen the movie, so I have no right to critical opinion on that. But This song? I love it.

JustinCredible · Post by **JustinCredible** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 5:27 pm

the Black Monarch wrote:I heard them do a version of "When Doves Cry," which was originally by Prince, and the BNL version sucked ass.

Have you heard anything else they have done besides a cover?

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 7:26 pm

Yes, that song from that car commercial, which I really like.

Rozard · Post by **Rozard** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 12:39 am

That would be "One Week," arguably their most popular song....