While this big blockheaded argument was going on, I was mooching alcohol from my neighbors' keg and turning up
Once Sent From The Golden Hall real loud. Now how do y'all feel about wasting time on this.
Set_Abominae wrote:I except change in music, as long as it isn't degenerating the previous form of music.
I may not be a true corpsepainted horde any more, but one of the few things that I took out of black metal is the truth that real change in music only happens when bands set out to DESTROY what came before them. Burn it down to the foundations and bounce the rubble. Of course, it's never 100% effective, because you can never fully outrun all your influences, but the degree of success determines the degree of change.
The modernists did it to Romantic orchestral music back at the turn of the last century. The beboppers did it to jazz in the '40s and Elvis, Little Richard, et al dropped a similar bomb on pop music ten years later. Sabbath COULDN'T STAND the hippie culture surrounding them, and churned up a sludgestorm of satanism and raw power that is still forcibly disassociating itself from rock music thirty years down the road.
Punk versus arena rock.
NWOBHM versus Zeppelin and Queen.
Thrash versus NWOBHM.
Seattle versus Sunset Strip.
Nu-metal versus the alties.
There are smooth transitions to be found as well, but you can't ignore the destructivist thread. The synthesis of development and deliberate retrogression, tearing down and building up, is the core dynamic of modern music. Going back to original topic, maybe chick singers are a natural progression, a further elaboration of metal's course. Maybe they're about destroying existing conceptions and building again from first principles.
I'm the wrong guy to ask on that. I just have a bass guitar and a large pile of CDs with illegible bandlogos on them, not a department chair in sociological semantics. And I'm hungry, and short on beer.
whackage:
nailz: *I* care if "gwar gum" is in the final product. I don't want anything on my CDs that has touched ANY of Odorus Orungus' miscellaneous body parts, including his teeth.
Didn't you see him make out with his own penis in the
America Must Be Destroyed movie?
vlad: When I played in orchestras it *was* very difficult to keep from thrashing out to certain pieces. Everyone who likes Opeth should hunt around for recordings of stuff by Percy Grainger; the lighter, faster pieces may not be to taste, but the man was a master at doom tempos and really heavy orchestrations. I got into him and Cathedral around the same time. Good stuff. \m/.
Let's drop this [original] topic, nobody's actually discussed it for like three pages. How about a new one: "Timo Tollki - mentally disturbed, colossally drunk, or just looking for publicity? How should metalheads interpret the 'red Kabbalah ribbons' communications, and does anyone even give a crap?"
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