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[Dannywilson]

I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but has anyone ever heard of a band called AFI? They kinda seem like a blending of gothrock and punk. I especially like their song Days of Pheonix, they kinda remind me of a 21'st century Misfits... tell me what you think...

[Rozard]

Yes AFI does indeed = teh good

I got to see them on the Warped Tour in 2001. If you like AFI, check out Tiger Army. They sound like AFI + The Stray Cats

[moooooo]

First off, I just want to say that AFI is pretty freaking slick.

With that said, this thread confuses me so freaking much. To say punk isn't punk rock, or punk rock isn't punk, whatever the argument is, is kinda ridiculous. Jace, you say Punk Rock has a mixture of metal and punk, and then site Taking Back Sunday? That makes no sense to me what so ever. To begin with, punk and punk rock are the same thing. Just because you use the word Punk, that doesn't mean you have to sound like the misfits, or the dead boys, or the sex pistols or any of the other early bands. Punk is not a sound or a look, Punk is an attitude. It doesn't have to be a bad ass anarchist attitude, but just the will to be different. To stand out, and try something new. Punk was not intended to be this big thing to last 30+ years. But since it has, 30 years is a long god damn time for all the bands to sound the same. Music is a constantly changing thing. Punk is constantly changing too.

Sure I can use three chords, and rip off some Descendents vocal patterns, but that should not automatically say that I am punk. Where's the originality in that? There are 1 million other bands that sound like that. It's boring. What if the lyrics were Britney Spears Bubble gum pop stuff over so called punk music. That's not very punk to me either. It's like that article on Christina Aguliara (sp?) in Rolling Stone. She wears 3 or 4 big thick spiky bracelets. She's got piercings. She sports a mohawk in one of the shots. So that makes her some punk rocker? Last time I checked her album still sounds like Michael Jackson. Not so cool.

On the same note, there was an article on Liars in a rolling stone review a few months ago. These guys dress nice, and look like normal dudes, but they put out one of the best punk/rock n roll albums of the year. They don't sound anything like 70's or 80's punk. They aren't a Black Flag rip off :CoughpennywiseCough: but they still do have punk ideas, and a passion to be different and new. Punk was meant to be something that can constantly evolve, not remain stagnant.

Before you take the stance of lord of all knowledge that is punk rock, I suggest you check out more things. The only bands you mentioned are basically the biggest names in the mainstream scene. If you are going to belittle people over not having a broad look at punk music, you should really check out a lot of different kinds of punk music yourself first.

This whole cut up of different sub genres within already small enough sub genres is stupid. Punk is just a huge broad things with many different interpretations. If people think that punk is dead, because they dont like some mainstream punk bands, well that to me is ridiculous. All you would have to do is go to a local show in a basement to realize that the scene is definetly not dead. As for people who have hated on bands for selling out and whatever, just ignore the bands. If you don't think punk should be a mainstream thing, then dont listen to the mainstream bands. Nobody has to go to an overpriced thing like warped tour. There are hundreds of other amazing bands out there.

[Rozard]

OK, I thought we weren't going to try and drudge this up again.

Punk as a genre is dead. Punk has since then split and melded into different genres and subgenres, such as Punk Rock, Pop Punk, Indie, Alt. Rock, etc. I recommend reading this book. I believe it wasw Johnny Rotten that said in it, "Once punk became accepted and went mainstream, it lost the sole purpose for it's creation."

This whole cut up of different sub genres within already small enough sub genres is stupid. Punk is just a huge broad things with many different interpretations. If people think that punk is dead, because they dont like some mainstream punk bands, well that to me is ridiculous.

I agree that the whole subgenre thing is pretty messed up, but people have become so detailed in their tastes that they almost demand seperation from everything else. Punk is a broad term, and incompasses many different genres, but then again, so does Rock 'n' Roll. Although, like Punk (as a genre), Rock 'n' Roll as a genre is dead. It's spirit is best matched to what is now rockabilly and classic country. You have to accept that Punk as a genre is dead. Most mainstream 'punk' bands are Pop, Emo or Alternative Rock infused. And we don't hate them because Punk is dead, we hate those bands because they suck Seriously, I try and give everything I hear a chance and keep an open mind. I've come across some of my favorite bands that way.

[moooooo]

OK, I thought we weren't going to try and drudge this up again.

Punk as a genre is dead. Punk has since then split and melded into different genres and subgenres, such as Punk Rock, Pop Punk, Indie, Alt. Rock, etc. I recommend reading this book. I believe it wasw Johnny Rotten that said in it, "Once punk became accepted and went mainstream, it lost the sole purpose for it's creation."

This whole cut up of different sub genres within already small enough sub genres is stupid. Punk is just a huge broad things with many different interpretations. If people think that punk is dead, because they dont like some mainstream punk bands, well that to me is ridiculous.

I agree that the whole subgenre thing is pretty messed up, but people have become so detailed in their tastes that they almost demand seperation from everything else. Punk is a broad term, and incompasses many different genres, but then again, so does Rock 'n' Roll. Although, like Punk (as a genre), Rock 'n' Roll as a genre is dead. It's spirit is best matched to what is now rockabilly and classic country. You have to accept that Punk as a genre is dead. Most mainstream 'punk' bands are Pop, Emo or Alternative Rock infused. And we don't hate them because Punk is dead, we hate those bands because they suck Seriously, I try and give everything I hear a chance and keep an open mind. I've come across some of my favorite bands that way.

Awesome, I'm definetly going to check out that book. I've read a few books on the NY scene, and the San Francisco/LA scene too. I wish I could remember who wrote them...
As for punk being dead though, I can only agree to a certain extent. In its original purpose punk is kind of dead. Pop-punk...just look at that word. It's an oxy moron. Johnny Rotten, hated the word punk, he fought against that title for years, but now hes whoring it up for VH1 on a pretty consistent basis. For Christ sakes, the fucking chipmunks did a punk album in the mid 80's. So if you look at it that way, then punk is dead.

But, I feel that it's kind of evolved into something new. Nobody really called Nirvana punk back in the early 90's, but they were. I know so many bands have infused different kinds of music together, whether it be metal and hardcore, indy rock and jazz, whatever, my point is, so many genres have stemmed from what punk is. If there was no punk, then there is no television, no television, no gang of four, if there is no gang of four, theres no sonic youth. So although a band like sonic youth sounds absolutly nothing like mid 70's punk, and none of those bands are your prototypical punk bands, they all did come from those punk rock roots. To me, thats still punk rock. In fact it's even more punk rock, because at least it's come from some sense of originality. It took a bit of A, a bit of B, and made up their own C and came up with something new.
Isn't that what the Ramones and Sex Pistols did?

[Jace Tsunami]

Punk as a genre is dead.

Punk in it's purest form with out sub genres such as punk rock or pop punk or emo is not entirley dead. It's probably dying, there are hardly any well known punk bands anymore, and none of them are all too succesfull, but they're there. Take the ataris for example ,I'm seeing them live in 2 days. Well known, not verysuccesfull right now, but really pure punk. There are several such bands

[bankies]

punk may be dead, it may be alive, it may just be wounded, but the fact remains that the majority of punk music is awful
lets dance
har har har

[SSJ Zero]

Not to sound Behind the Music-esqe, but punk rock defined a generation, and punk rock is still alive in the hearts of millions. But adding to what Rozard said, the constant split of different genres pretty much put the final bullet in the personified head that is punk rock.

[y2kwizard]

My next question is this: what is the punk of today? What genre of music are people listening to underground that's having the same effect on my generation that punk had on earlier generations? I'm beginning to think that there IS no such thing anymore.

I don't think that there is now a genre of music that is so offensive and in-your-face as punk was a while back. Maybe...death metal? Which I personally can't stand. Or maybe..gangster rap? Which I also dislike. I dunno.

Does anyone have a clue?

[Jace Tsunami]

a lot of people are into the types of punk-rock music I was mentioning. The used, thrice, finch, and so on. These bands really focus on the indevidual and say fuck the world. Some very intresting teens gather at these concerts, but even though they're indevidualistic (if that's a word) I've found that they're still good people. I always meet good people at these concerts, no one snobby rude selfish greedy or out of control, all these kids are really easy going. I think punk rock is having this effect on this generation, not just the punk-rock though either. Emo can get pretty hard core in this aspect. Pretty much check out any band under drive-thu records.