WIP op for Ranma AMV

[bob790]

I don't like begging. But there's something wrong with this video (apart from the pcture quality) and I genuinely cannot pin it down exactly. Could someone take a look and tell me which scenes need replacing?

file details:
http://amvtest.minotaur.cc/Beta1.avi
username: amvbeta
password: yakumo_pai

file size: 26Mb
series: Ranma 1/2 + OAVs
opinions: welcomed

[iranai]

first off, ya.. the video needs work... and this needs to be done 'before' the editing proccess >_> croping the edges down to 640x480, increase the saturation and intensity of the video, temporal smoother, smother, and warp sharp,.. all should be doen before adobe get's it's grubby little hands on the files. If your running an avs script this all becomes much easier ( if more likey to crash premire 8P )

about the video itself

Inconsistant use of lyp-synch. Every time I see ryouga, i'm expecitng him to be singing, this is a bit unreasonably ^_^ but it's still my expectation

generic timing. The scene at 1:15 with ryouga walking towards the screen is the perfect example of why this video feels off. the pace of the music is 2x that of the video, and speeding it up doesn't help, as the characters look atrificialy fast. Fast song ( i'm talking about the sub beat here, the beat, not the sining ) + slow rate of scene changes ( comparitivly ) feels a bit off.

i'm going to blatently steal a line writen by bote here

Whenever you see a missed beat know that it was purely intentional. This is what most people fail to understand "Why not time everything if you can and know how?" To answer the question: Cause it ain't very pleasant to distract the eye at that level. You follow the lyrics and then a black small flash between your eyes that is barely even heard in the background. I mean, it's only distractive. You'll all notice moments when there are 10-15 secs of perfect and full timing. But their purpose is much different. Such small timing sequences are meant to raise the atmosphere of the video since the video has slower parts and more fast paced ones.

by comparison, you video only has the 'slow' sections. Look at the parts of the video that arn't directly tied to the lyrics, and see how you can have fun with it.

[bob790]

Thanks for the input. I know the video quality needs improving. I deliberately kept the quality low for bandwidth reasons. (The final version will have better, but not as good as you want, video quality.

[quote = "iranai]Inconsistant use of lyp-synch. Every time I see ryouga, i'm expecitng him to be singing, this is a bit unreasonably ^_^ but it's still my expectation [/quote]

Gah! I can't do that. It's fine if he actually has lip movement in the scene, but mostly he doesn't. I'll work on it though.

I knew something was wrong. I'll work on the pacing, it's tricky to get it right when the beat is fast and the lyrics are slow.

Thank you for the quick, detailed and helpful response.

[Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]]

I don't like begging.

you did good, you posted according to the WIP guidelines, no op exchange is nessisary for WIPs as I understand it. Anyway I like checking WIPs, so I'll take a look and see if I can add anything to Iranai's comments.

[Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]]

Good lipsyncing. Theres a few little niptpicks where the lipsync isn;t 100% natural, but pretty good overall. Double check the synch at 01:38

I don't think its necissary to lipsync all the scenes of Ryoga as long as Ryoga is Doing what hes saying in the song instead of singing. Good Examples of this is 00:39 and 0:44 (here particularly the mood of the shot lends me to belive hes more Thinking that in his head rather than saying it) and 00:55...also at 01:14

at 0:23 It worked at first, but I think you held that shot too long so it felt a little static, here lipsync might have offset that.

01:15 did you speed this up? it feels unatural. like hes walking realy fast...

02:17 Did you just lipsync akane to the singer that ryoga is supposed to be? ;p

02:21 haha good shot for this lyric ("when its over")


Why ranma and akane at the end? The video seems to be more about ryoga... it feels out of place.

On the editing side, just double check your timming on your cuts, make sure they hit exactly on a beat or end of a verse and you should be fine there. The editing actually looks pretty solid to me as it is, but could use a little fine tuning. Also, on ranma scene changes, I know about this since I've made a ranma vid myself, but on the US DVDs when they change a scene, you get that ugly scan line artifact in 1 or 2 frames of the transition. I suggest you Cut those frames out of your project so the scene cuts look smoother. Suplicate the previous frame if you need to (if cutting it makes it too short) but since its only 1 or 2 frames that have the noise, adjusting the timing slightly to make up for it should not throw it terribly off either. wichever works better.

Thats all I could think to add based on my alaysis of your WIP. overall its looking pretty good. And yea don't forget to crop out those borders around your vid as Iranai said on the final export. Might also want to try playing around with the mftoon() and deen() filters to get better looking renders if you use AVIsynth. I know Ranma footage is a little on the soft and noisy side natively.

[Muyo_Ryu]

first off, ya.. the video needs work... and this needs to be done 'before' the editing proccess >_> croping the edges down to 640x480, increase the saturation and intensity of the video, temporal smoother, smother, and warp sharp,.. all should be doen before adobe get's it's grubby little hands on the files. If your running an avs script this all becomes much easier ( if more likey to crash premire 8P )

about the video itself

Hmm, do i see wrong, or did he say he already knew it wasn't the quality what needed judgement. Then again, not everyone understand a language the same way.

[Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]]

first off, ya.. the video needs work... and this needs to be done 'before' the editing proccess >_> croping the edges down to 640x480, increase the saturation and intensity of the video, temporal smoother, smother, and warp sharp,.. all should be doen before adobe get's it's grubby little hands on the files. If your running an avs script this all becomes much easier ( if more likey to crash premire 8P )

about the video itself

Hmm, do i see wrong, or did he say he already knew it wasn't the quality what needed judgement. Then again, not everyone understand a language the same way.

aside from that, WIPs generally are low quality to make it a quick download. The WIP sticky guide recomends keeping it low filesize (like around 20megs) to encourage people to take the time to give it a look. Unless the creator specifically wants thoughts on the visual quality, wich wasn't the case here.

[bob790]

Good lipsyncing. Theres a few little niptpicks where the lipsync isn;t 100% natural, but pretty good overall. Double check the synch at 01:38

I'm still learning the fine details of lip syncing. I will double check as suggested.

at 0:23 It worked at first, but I think you held that shot too long so it felt a little static, here lipsync might have offset that.

I don't have the video with me (My home machine has no internet connection) So I'm guessing which scen that is. I did try to lip sync it. . . It looked worse, I'll find another way to make it less static.

01:15 did you speed this up? it feels unatural. like hes walking realy fast...

I did speed it up. I have also removed it for the next draft.

02:17 Did you just lipsync akane to the singer that ryoga is supposed to be? ;p

I synced Akane to the lyrics Ryoga was reporting her as having said. I thought it might work... Clearly it didn't.

Why ranma and akane at the end? The video seems to be more about ryoga... it feels out of place.

It was a song about Ryoga not getting the girl. I guess I made another bad judgement call.

Thats all I could think to add based on my alaysis of your WIP. overall its looking pretty good. And yea don't forget to crop out those borders around your vid as Iranai said on the final export. Might also want to try playing around with the mftoon() and deen() filters to get better looking renders if you use AVIsynth. I know Ranma footage is a little on the soft and noisy side natively.

I never got the hang of Avisynth. But I always crop and resize for my final renders.

Thanks for the encouragement I hope I can make this as close to perfect as is possible.

[genestarwind21122]

Actually I agree with your video. It is very well paced and has great flow too it. One of the better Ranma 1/2 videos I've seen. The whole story about Ryoga, Ranma and Akane's suits the song well. Eventhough that's the typical ranma video. I see why you ended with Ranma and Akane at the end for it makes you feel sorry for Ryoga that it couldn't be. Now what could have made this point more clear is maybe an overlay at the end with Ryoga upset like you showed him many of times early on in your video. Nice work. I'll leave an op on it when you have it up.

[bob790]

Thank you everyone. Your comments will prove very useful.

The test file has now been deleted from the server. I will try to get a finished version up by the end of the week.