Evangelion relationship to Greek?

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Post by UncleMilo » Tue Dec 03, 2002 2:27 pm

RadicalEd0 wrote:ah real mystics dont need $500 books they can just go to the akashic records of history themselves and find everything out there :lol:
Well... I never said my friend was a mystic... he reads books about things.

His book collection rivals many others movie collections...

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Post by UncleMilo » Tue Dec 03, 2002 2:33 pm

JustAnOrdinaryPanda wrote:I see no reason why that can't be a perfectly adequate interpretation of the series. There is not one right answer. You don't know everything, quit thinkin your the dogs bollocks and accept that its an ambiguous ending, where people can interpret their own things from it.
This from the person who just posted that people are over thinking the series.

Damn those who use their brains! Damn them!

Your ignorance is quite obvious.

YES! Evangelion is up for interpretation... there is a lot that is vague so that there can be discussion... but the show isn't just a lot of mumbled, uninteligeble phrases... it isn't just blobs of color that move on an animated palette.

No... there are LINES OF DIALOGUE and there are THEMES IN THE TEXT OF THE SHOW

There are certain points that are being made in this show... and those points are being made to be discussed.

People who make theis theories of Evangelion who IGNORE these points are going to have VERY FLAWED interpretations

If this simple idea is over your head, I suggest you go to less difficult shows.

There are reasons things happen in that show and if you miss that, you miss the point of the show.

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Post by JustAnOrdinaryPanda » Tue Dec 03, 2002 2:40 pm

You took my comment SO wrong. I said that people here were over-analysing the series, and you took that to mean that I was oblivious to the many many references that are in there, many that are obscure and reasonably irrelevant. That I thought the show lacked these things at all. You're a bit quick to call people stupid...

You NOW say that it's up for interpretation and arguement, when before you accused someone of being 'just plain wrong'.

You're superior attitude and condescension is just getting annoying.
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Post by Lunatic » Tue Dec 03, 2002 3:00 pm

flint_the_dwarf wrote:Evangelion actually does make sense. Me and my bro spent all this weekend dissecting it with our various knowledge of philosophy. It's pretty convoluted at first, but it makes sense.
Actually, it was more like we spent the weekend with me dissecting it and you saying "shut UP!!" :wink:

The thing with Eva is that there's a whole slew of different levels of meaning to it: at least 2 philosophical, a social-psychological, a Freudian, and a Judeo-Christian level. Plenty of people understand those levels, even if there is a lot of disagreement about them. The level on which Eva probably doesn't make sense, however, is the literal level. I suspect that Anno might have done this on purpose to downplay the importance of the literal level. At a number of places in the series, the objective, factual events that have taken place so far are reviewed in a matter of minutes, as if to say, "You see? I just summarized every Angel attack in less than half an episode. That's how important they are." I hear people all the time say that they "understand" Evangelion, but I defy anyone to come up with a complete explanation of the literal aspect of the plot. I've yet to see anyone do it.

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Post by UncleMilo » Tue Dec 03, 2002 3:03 pm

JustAnOrdinaryPanda wrote:You took my comment SO wrong. I said that people here were over-analysing the series, and you took that to mean that I was oblivious to the many many references that are in there, many that are obscure and reasonably irrelevant. That I thought the show lacked these things at all. You're a bit quick to call people stupid...

You NOW say that it's up for interpretation and arguement, when before you accused someone of being 'just plain wrong'.

You're superior attitude and condescension is just getting annoying.
You just want your cake and eat it to, to use the old expression.

Yes... EVA is up for interpretation...the messages it talks about are complex and have been topics of discussions for ages and ages.

however...

like any piece of art, there are obvious messages that are there to help compose the artist's message.

You can't just go and say something like "Evangelion is all about the writer's hatred of chocolate", because there is nothing in the show to support such a statement.

There are messages in there that you have to read/grasp/understand.

Thick-heads like you argue that to look for these points is a waste of time... you accuse people of over-analyzing, but given the remarks you have made, it sounds to me like it's just more effort THAN YOU are willing to put in... but since I hang out with people who have put in a lot more effort than you ever will on the series... and because I have been shown many things that exist in the series that most would never have guessed at... and because I hapeen to have had schooling in the language of film, in philosophy and psychology... I have found many of the messages on my own as well. Obviously, among my friends, we all came up with varried interpretations of the show...

but people who just want to say "eh... Evangelion is about what I want it to be about" are simply being lazy in their thinking.

Most art has a reason for being.

Most artists have a message they want to give you in their art.

"Up for interpretation" doesn't mean it's about EVERYTHING

"Having an open mind" doesn't mean being accepting of everythying... it means that you are willing to consider things before taking your view on that thing.


If my manner seems "superior" to you, then I'll take that as a compliment.

If I'm annoying to you... well.. then that's good, because your lazy ignorance and desire to argue that people just should stop at a certain point rather than work with their minds beyond the point of minimal effort has been really quite annoying to me... and I've had to deal with hundreds of people on various message boards with that same "I don't want to think THAT hard about this" attitude.

That's why I hate talking EVA on these boards...

but this conversation had started so well and I was trying to pick up some new facts that I had not heard before and I was really enjoying the messages of the earlier posters

but then the throngs of the stupid had to come to the board...as they come to tall EVA threads and flout their ignorance

and demand that those who have put thought into the show are "over analyzing it"

or another common cry (because I have heard so many) that "we have been duped... that EVA isn't about anything and it was made vague so it could appear clever"

I have heard hundreds of various arguments that boil down to this line: "I hate EVA because I didn't understand it... and I'm going to blame the series for my own inability to understand it."


I don't care what you think. I have heard your arguments so many times before and it's nothing new. I say this because I'm not singling you out... you're just another one as far as I'm concerned. Another one of the many.


None the less... that's it.

I'm always happy to talk EVA with people who really want to talk about it and on many occasions I have given my e-mail address out. I'll be happy to take e-mails... but I'm just going to leave this thread.

I don't need to knock my head against bricks any further.

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Post by JustAnOrdinaryPanda » Tue Dec 03, 2002 4:11 pm

Erm... :shock: . You have no idea do you. Again, your blowing what I said out of proportion. And when I said that you had a superior attitude, I was not referring to the fact you were saying superior things, more that you believed you were. I've heard pretty much all you've said before, read loads and theorised some on Eva. But you're calling me ignorant when you have no idea about me, you're stereotyping me when you have no idea of my views, all emphasise your big-headedness.

I never said that you could interpret anything out of Eva, merely that the comment that someone quoted was not based on nothing, like you seemed to suggest.

You seem to be the one ruining this thread, I merely pointed out that someone was actually making a point, and you comment on their/my ignorance and stupidity, boasting your education and supreme effort into the research of...yadda yadda yadda etc.

Geez, I don't know why you're taking so much offence at my views, you're making something out of nothing, like you have to be right. Relax, I'm not slagging you off, but you can't seem to come down off of your high horse. Chill out. I probably haven't put as much effort as you into it, but hey, I put loads of effort into my job which I love, and my double maths/physics/economics/art A-levels. I could abandone those and put as much effort as you did into Eva, or not. :roll:
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Post by Flint the Dwarf » Tue Dec 03, 2002 7:32 pm

Lunatic wrote:Actually, it was more like we spent the weekend with me dissecting it and you saying "shut UP!!" :wink:
Only because you kept asking all those stupid questions. :D I was analyzing it myself because the first time through it was all just too much. I pretty much grasped episodes 25 and 26 (kinda) but EoE totally threw me off. And then I had to re-think it all, so I just wasn't cooperating with you but absorbing what you said. :wink: You talked more, but it was all just circular and repetetively annoying. :twisted:

And you're definitely right about the literal aspect of it. Truthfully, I hadn't even tried to think about that yet. I was too busy trying to relate with philosophy and religious contexts.
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