*Liriel* wrote:thats a nice ending dwchang but thats 1 theory [about shinji finding his answers and coming back] in many VERY MANY
heres another
I don't mean to sound like an ass here, but...there is a right answer to all this. If Shinji chose to stay in his perfect world, the entire ending of Evangelion would not exist. The fact he conquers his problems and realizes his self-worth is the entire point of the show. For him to accept a false reality and remain in the LCL would ultimately say that we as humans cannot overcome our problems.
I think the biggest points of evidence are:
1) The speech at the end of Episode 26 where Shinji blatantly states he is worth something and the symbollic glass shattering. People congratulate him because he has discovered himself. If he were to stay in the world...the episode would've ended with them in the classroom in his perfect little world. It doesn't...we come back to the scenes where he is sitting by himself...introspective.
2) When Shinji blatantly rejects the false reality by saying "this is one of the possible realities?" This of course leads to the speech above.
3) When Evangelion 01 bursts out of Rei/Lilith and all the LCL comes out of her neck and back to earth. Shinji comes out of the LCL and on a desolate earth with Asuka.
4) Yui explicitely states that everyone has the choice to come back to Earth if they choose. Just as Shinji did. I believe this is near the end where Eva01 is floating in space. If this were not true, why did the LCL come back to Earth? It should've remained in Lilith as one happy little entity (remember when that ball she was holding was being absorbed?)
I don't think you can really argue against these points since they are all
in the show and blatantly said. I am not using my opinion or my interpretation and only using the show/movie and what is explicitely said. I suggest watching them again because it's all there. There isn't that much to really speculate about this show.
Again, I apologize if I sound like an ass, but I get kind of annoyed when people say Eva is just "fucked-up" or argue with things that are in the show. I guess it's upsetting because the true purpose and meaning of Eva is quite uplifting and more annoying since most of these things are explicitely in the show. Given, I wont deny some of the ambiguity. It took me a couple times to "get it" al.
Also, it makes sense when you think about the state the director/creator (Hideaki Anno) was in prior to making it. This is apparently the "answer" he found and Shinji is really just him.
*Liriel* wrote:i can point out a few things that could support this:1st rei [as in death] appears in front of the eva the same as she does for everone B4 they die[sorta]
Shinji was at the center of Instrumentality (as I stated in my previous explanation). Fuyuski even blatantly states that it's "all up to Ikari's son." Rei/Lilith rejected Gendo (when he had his hand in there) and chose Shinji instead...again this is in the movie.
So yeah, Shinji basically decided the fate of man and thus decided they could choose for themselves to stay in their perfect worlds or come back after they figured it out..as he did. And no one died, they became LCL. No AT fields, thus no physical forms. We are happy as one being.
*Liriel* wrote:2nd how did shinji get down from 220,000+miles in the sky
Trivial. Regardless, Shinji comes out of the ocean of LCL. This would imply he was part of the LCL and one lifeform that Instrumentality produced (i.e. burst out of Rei's neck). He came out because he chose to live his life with an AT field and the knowledge of his self-worth. He'd rather try and live life with this than live in a false reality. This is the entire point of the show...his discovery of this and living his life.
I'd also suggest taking a look at the
Red Cross Book.
As it says in the description, this is a book that was sold for 800 Yen at theaters while the End of Evangelion was playing and is straight from Gainax (the creators). You can't get much more correct then that yes?
(/me already sees The Black Monarch coming in here and saying it can't be right since it says that Rei "appears to have no emotion."...I'm willing to even bet on that as his reply).
Let me point out a few key lines that support the "truth:"
"The big theme in Evangelion is the "heart of people"...The relationship with others, the meaning of the existence of self, what is the self...."
"The heart of Shinji.... In Ep.25 (AIR) and Ep.26 (True Heart to You), the drama of main characters, actions, solutions to the mysteries etc are all contained. Also this is done in an experimental way,
which strives to follow the TV series in bringing up the real issue of "people's heart"."
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[A.T. Field]Abbreviation of "ABSOLUTE TERROR FIELD".
A physical barrier of absolute field put out by the Angels and EVA's. It boasts enormous defensive power, and it is able to greatly reduce the power of all attacking weapons. The ability of EVA to neutralize the A.T.Field of the Angels is one major reason why EVA was considered as the only weapon against the Angels.
However, the same A.T.Field does not exist only in the Angels or EVA's. Human also possesses this field. With this A.T.Field, human is able to keep seperate from each other, and to stay in seperate physical forms. Nagisa Kaworu explained A.T.Field as "a barrier of heart that everybody has"
This is in reference to my early explanation about how Instrumentality got rid of our AT fields so we could be together as one...be happy. Since the AT field holds our physical forms, instrumentality made us turn into LCL.
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[Human Complementation Plan] (JINRUI HOKAN KEIKAKU)
A plan to induce artificial evolution for human, who had reached an impasse in becoming a colony of worthless, to become a total single-form organism. It was under the direction of SEELE, and the secret agency NERV was the implementation organisation. However, the expectations of SEELE seems to be different from the objective of NERV (which means the objective of Gendou and Fuyutsuki).
EVA was in fact not planned as a weapon. It was built with the aim to realise this plan.
More specifically, it seems that the plan is to artificially start the Third Impact, thus erasing all human, and after human shed their physical form, they will then evolute into a new stage."
Instrumentality...where we are all happy in our perfect worlds. The point to the entire show and SEELE's goal with defeating the Angels and starting Third Impact.
Daio Kaji wrote:i never really knew what Seele's true purpose was
Yes SEELE's entire purpose (in defeating the angels and producing the Evas) was to bring about third Impact and ultimately Instrumentality. This perfect existence with AT fields where we can hurt each other and not truly be close (Hedgehog's Dilemna).
Savia wrote:A couple of points (well, mainly just the one) bother me. There is no evidence whatsoever for Keel being the 'Wandering Jew', who was doomed to live forever. Sure he has a wyrd metal spine, but this implies little more than that he is the head of several very 'high-tech', advanced commmittees and societies. I don't have anything against the possibility of him being this figure, but without some more substantial evidence, I think there's not much to back it up.
Well I ultimately agree that there is no real proof. I was just stating an interesting theory based on a few interesting things in the show like that skeleton.
Don't get me wrong, even if it's not true, it has no bearing on the story or anything else I stated. Thus why I included it under "interesting tidbits."
Here is something to further my theory though (from the RCB):
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Keel Lorentz
The chairman of the Committee of Human Complementation, also the director of SEELE. His body is totally machine from backbone down."
Regardless, you must admit it's a cool theory.
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Even though it doesn't fit the timeline, Ritsuko does call him a liar after... 
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