Lain and psychology
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Magicannpn
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Lain and psychology
I heard that Serial Experiments Lain is based on theories of a psychologist. I can't remember his name right now, but he was a friend of Freud. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, what are some scenes that correspond to those theories, and how do they relate to the series as a whole?
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bum
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I dont know if its based on just one persons theories, but the first name that came to me was Sigmund Freud .
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Scintilla
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x2 -- wasn't Jung the one who came up with the idea of a "collective unconscious", which I believe is specifically referenced at at least one point in lain?Bulghod wrote:Friend of Freud? If anything it would probably be Carl Jung.
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Magicannpn
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Magicannpn
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The "collective unconscious", really? I need to watch the series again because I don't remember that.Scintilla wrote:x2 -- wasn't Jung the one who came up with the idea of a "collective unconscious", which I believe is specifically referenced at at least one point in lain?Bulghod wrote:Friend of Freud? If anything it would probably be Carl Jung.
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bum
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Yeah it was mentioned in that eppisode about KIDS, with all the children being hokked up to some machine and phsy (or something) being drawn from them all and colected.Scintilla wrote: x2 -- wasn't Jung the one who came up with the idea of a "collective unconscious", which I believe is specifically referenced at at least one point in lain?
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HeavyMetal
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Jung sounds Right
Jung was probably Freud’s closest protege.
There was a lady as well (I forget her name) she, like Jung, had her own adaptation of Freud. Makes sense as Freud was a chauvinistic, you know his theory on penis envy etc.
Jung was kind of a mystic so I would think it likely that he is tied to SEL.
Lain is psychological and philosophical in nature which fits Jung's take on Freud’s ideas.
Jung's theories were a lot more complex than Freud’s and were much more philosophically based.
I find Jung more believable the Freud.
Freud based every thing he ever did on theory alone, and while he did have some really revolutionary ideas that were true he was a bit of a crack pot. Freud is best a glance. If you read Jung you better be prepared to meditate.
Freud probably got it right when he said people become largely who they will grow up to be by age five. However being the guy the termed the phrase “God of the Gap”, meaning God is whatever science is yet to explain, he also had theories on guilt etc that used the Adam and Eve model of creation?! A wee bit inconsistent.
Yes it is true Jung came up with the theory of the collective unconscious. Think about it in terms of Lain too. The people follow that herd instinct.
Everybody is on the internet, join in. Everybody has a cell phone in class. Everyone is on mechanical nano machine drugs. Everybody is jumping off buildings, join in its fun.
Humans are truly a gullible breed.
Anyway yeah read Jung for insight into SEL. However my own psych professor said Jung shorted out his brain, but he was a monist not a duelist.
Note:
Monist believe who a person is to be the functioning of the brain.
Duelist believe people to be more than their brain working. This usually means souls. (This was a concept first stated by Aristotle.)
(Though often the Greek philosophers were usually beat to the punch by Chinese philosophers. But hey China's been around a while. Hell, the people they used to call neighbors get dug up by archeologists.)
There was a lady as well (I forget her name) she, like Jung, had her own adaptation of Freud. Makes sense as Freud was a chauvinistic, you know his theory on penis envy etc.
Jung was kind of a mystic so I would think it likely that he is tied to SEL.
Lain is psychological and philosophical in nature which fits Jung's take on Freud’s ideas.
Jung's theories were a lot more complex than Freud’s and were much more philosophically based.
I find Jung more believable the Freud.
Freud based every thing he ever did on theory alone, and while he did have some really revolutionary ideas that were true he was a bit of a crack pot. Freud is best a glance. If you read Jung you better be prepared to meditate.
Freud probably got it right when he said people become largely who they will grow up to be by age five. However being the guy the termed the phrase “God of the Gap”, meaning God is whatever science is yet to explain, he also had theories on guilt etc that used the Adam and Eve model of creation?! A wee bit inconsistent.
Yes it is true Jung came up with the theory of the collective unconscious. Think about it in terms of Lain too. The people follow that herd instinct.
Everybody is on the internet, join in. Everybody has a cell phone in class. Everyone is on mechanical nano machine drugs. Everybody is jumping off buildings, join in its fun.
Humans are truly a gullible breed.
Anyway yeah read Jung for insight into SEL. However my own psych professor said Jung shorted out his brain, but he was a monist not a duelist.
Note:
Monist believe who a person is to be the functioning of the brain.
Duelist believe people to be more than their brain working. This usually means souls. (This was a concept first stated by Aristotle.)
(Though often the Greek philosophers were usually beat to the punch by Chinese philosophers. But hey China's been around a while. Hell, the people they used to call neighbors get dug up by archeologists.)
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Sentient Satire
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Well, it seems I was beaten to the punch by HeavyMetal and Scintilla.
Serial Experiments Lain does expessly mention the concept of the collective unconscious, which is from the Jungian school of thought.
... I don't think I would have included my thoughts on Freud or the like... but I will say that one should read up on Jung (the most notable one). If anyone knows of interview transcripts with ABe or Ueda, that would also be important to the topic of Jungian references (or psychology as a whole anyways).
Serial Experiments Lain does expessly mention the concept of the collective unconscious, which is from the Jungian school of thought.
... I don't think I would have included my thoughts on Freud or the like... but I will say that one should read up on Jung (the most notable one). If anyone knows of interview transcripts with ABe or Ueda, that would also be important to the topic of Jungian references (or psychology as a whole anyways).
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