My thoughts on the US version of CCS: CARDCAPTORS

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As you well know If you've ever watched Cardcaptors while it was on KIDS-WB then there's a sure chance that you loved it and thought it was coolest thing on WB at that time. However if not, you'll be sure to be complaining like some rich-man's spoiled brat like the purist you are because its an edited version of CLAMPS queer, Cardcaptor Sakura. You'll be bashing it like the day is long. Sure they show episodes out of order, they edited it, they took out scenes inappropriate (as well as non-inappropriate for airing time) for children even see. But the entire reason for this is for someone of a younger calibur (not an older "over 10 or 12" person) to enjoy it, not the other way around. For some reason Cardcaptors will forever be the better side of what Cardcaptor Sakura has to offer. Basically it has Sakura Avalon, Madison Taylor, Li Syaoran, Melin Rae, and other children of the series portrayed as best friends: Li and Sakura as rivals at first. Sakura's brother Tori isn't a homosexual nor is his friend and her crush Juilian Star, they're friends. And Li is simply afraid of him and does not a attraction towards him like Sakura.




In Cardcaptor Sakura Tomoyo Daidouji acts with Lesbian behavior and secretly is in love with Sakura Kinomoto however will not reveal this to her "friend." Kinomoto Touya is a homosexual who has his eyes on Tsukishiro Yukito who seems to return the affection, Syaoran Li also as crush on Yukito much like Sakura. Sasaki Rika [Rita] is in love her Teacher Terada Yoshiyuki [Mr. Terata] who doesn't to anything to deter this girl's feelings, he just gasps and clears his throat pretending to never notice. Mihara Chiharu (Chelsea) and Yamazaki Takashi (Zachary) are cousin's (whether distant or close is never explained) who are romantically involved with each other. Hiiragizawa Eriol (Eli) and Lalyla Mackenzie (Mizuki Kaho) are supposedly romantically involved as well despite the reincarnated version of Clow Reed's young age. Those are only major differences between the two versions aside from the other stuff: That they changed the relationships between the characters and their names among other things in the US version (thankfully). But If your the kind of person who isn't bothered by this type of content in cartoons that look as though are meant to be for a younger set of children spanning from the youngest to the 10/11 year olds, then let them watch it. It doesn't mean what the characters portray is right or something a child should see.





However, the story in either versions remain the same. Sakura Avalon discovers a clow book in the basement of her house and accidentally releases 52 or more spirits trapped in the form of cards and is chosen by the would-be guardian Kero to return them to their original state thus becoming their master after undergoing a test performed by the second guardian Yue who is actually Sakura's friend Julian. Li Syaoran believes that she doesn't deserve to be master of the clow cards and scorns her and her "Stuffed animal" Kero constantly but becomes her friend later on in the series (a romantic interest in the Japanese version). But naturally like the stereotypical character she is, Sakura tries her best to be friends with Li while proving to him that she can be a cardcaptor.





The voice acting supplied by Nelvana who use young boys and girls for the characters(Li and Sakura), is far better than the Japanese sub for CCS who's actors for the children sound as though they've inahled helium and never recovered from it, which beccomes most annoying overtime. The music is a hell of a more bearable in the US version than it is in the Japanese version, however when it comes songs with Lyrics in them the Japanese version CCS does a better job. There's a lot more action Cardcaptors than CCS and much like FOX-KIDS' version of Esacflowne it focuses more on the main male character Li Syaoran to my great delight but doesn't shut out the main focus of the show, Sakura Avalon. So if you've ever watched Cardcaptors you'll probably enjoy it as much as I did when it was KIDSWB. If your not a purist that is.

[prettysoldiersailormoon]

I've only seen the US version and I loved it. Well, I haven't seen the Japanese version so...I guess I'll take your word for it. I would like to see the Japanese version for myself, but your opinion was definitely very researched and thought out.

[Kajino Rei]

Is there a point to this rant/infomercial?

Cardcaptors is the inbred bastard version of CCS.
Nothing wrong with being a purist; some like the originals.
Nothing wrong with not being a purist either; be free.
People who haven't seen the series will be so confused by this.
*shrugs* There are no absolutes in life, only opinions.

And it was all yellow.

~Miss Rei

[prettysoldiersailormoon]

There is a point. Someone giving their opinion.

[Kajino Rei]

Oh, right. *claps* Thank you for enlightening me.
My comment was obviously a rhetorical question.

Willow's comments could've been opinions but they sound more like dictates.
My opinion (as read above) is contrary to hers...
If I am a purist; so what? I hate dubbings of any genre.
That doesn't mean I go preach and insult those who oppose my view.

Who made anyone the authority on anime? A noob? Please.
Purists or not purists we are all (or should be) anime lovers.

~Miss Rei

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Prettysolidersailor Moon, thanks for the positive response on my thoughts on "CARDCAPTORS," its means a lot to me that someone on this website actually watched the series and liked it to boot . Rei, your opinion is valid and I'm not even going to get into a sissy fight with you.


I expected some CCS fan to come crawling out of the woodworks swearing at my opinion when I first posted this subject. I can't say I'm surprised by your reaction on my thoughts. However I have to say you made some false presumptions about me or at least my opinion. First off, I never proclaimed I was the authority on anything. I don't have anything against purists, only their blatant disregard to angrily dismiss something they watched UNCUT and IN JAPANESE when its edited for a younger audience and not vice versa, for content or commercial time.


I'm a non-purist only because I favor English voice acting over a Japanese sub any day. So long as its a good US voice acting I'll listen to it. Outlaw Star, R.O.D. THE TV, Gundam Wing, Dragon Ball/Z (most of the time), WOLF'S RAIN, THE BIG-O, RONIN WARRIORS, DIGIMON, SAILOR MOON/R, among others are prime examples of good US voice acting.



Because if the English voice overs were horrible, I'd be listening to the Anime in Japanese audio. But honestly, I'm tired of seeing a bunch of people who watched CARDCAPTOR SAKRUA and "if" they never saw CARDCAPTORS (or did see it), they go and bash it like its something to actually get mad over, like its something christains like to call premarital sex. Abonination in the eyes of God, but lets not drag this into the subject.


Almost everyone in North America and elsewhere like Japanese cartoons, that's fine with me, I don't care. I happen to like it too, who cares if its been edited. The whole point is enjoying the cartoon. But it has nothing to do with bashing different versions of a Anime, be the person non or pro purist. If you don't like this particular version of the cartoon then hold you spiteful tongue and continue watching the Japanese version with a smile on your face. The world would be better off without negative responses on CS, riddled with bad grammar and profane language. But your opinion is your own and you should stick to it. I'm going to stick to mine no matter what.




If anyone else has an opinion on my thoughts on CARDCAPTORS, then please feel free to let me know by using this fourm. Leave out the bad grammar and the profane langauge. It would be helpful if you did it constructively. [/b]

[GloryQuestor]

First off, I am a CLAMP fan, so really do like the original version much more over the "chop-shop" version that it became. But, like you, I'm not a "purist", and have seen and enjoyed both versions.

Having said that, here is my five cents on CCS vs CS:

I do not mind saying that both versions have their high (and low) points, but the original is the original, and it was based almost-verbatim with the very first work that started it all -- the manga by CLAMP.

CLAMP's humor is rather odd to begin with. (See: Chobits). But such humor is part of CLAMP's overall popularity. Whether you like their brand of situational humor or not, most who see the original, uncut version of the anime (or read all 12 volumes of the manga) agree that there is something more magical in the original CCS version than in the Cardcaptors version.

In Cardcaptor Sakura Tomoyo Daidouji acts with Lesbian behavior and secretly is in love with Sakura Kinomoto however will not reveal this to her "friend."

In the original, they are actually second cousins (both of their mothers were cousins). (IMHO, it would have actually been better if they were still related in the newer version.), and Tomoyo's mother actually had the same kind of puppy-love for Sakura's mother that Tomoyo has for Sakura.

Of course, while hinting at this kind of relationship with them and others, nothing really becomes of it in the end (at least, as far as the manga goes).

Kinomoto Touya is a homosexual who has his eyes on Tsukishiro Yukito who seems to return the affection, Syaoran Li also as crush on Yukito much like Sakura.

This is explained in the manga as Yukito needing Touya because of Touya's inherent magical power. Syaoran and Sakura have the same feeling around Yukito for the same reason ... although Sakura is Yukito's master, she just isn't strong enough to support him at the time.

Sasaki Rika [Rita] is in love her Teacher Terada Yoshiyuki [Mr. Terata] who doesn't to anything to deter this girl's feelings, he just gasps and clears his throat pretending to never notice.

It's not just used with Rika and her teacher. Sakura's mother and father met when she was a 16-year-old student and he a student-teacher in college, and married when she was still in high school. Such relationships are not entirely forbidden in Japanese society, apparently.

Mihara Chiharu (Chelsea) and Yamazaki Takashi (Zachary) are cousin's (whether distant or close is never explained) who are romantically involved with each other.

(See the Sakura / Tomoyo comment above)

Hiiragizawa Eriol (Eli) and Lalyla Mackenzie (Mizuki Kaho) are supposedly romantically involved as well despite the reincarnated version of Clow Reed's young age.

(See the Rika/Terada comment above)

[lilgumba]

SPOILERS WILL BE PRESENT. You have been warned.


Alright it's my turn to discuss. This will not be a flame or anything because I am a lover or both dubs and subs so you will not get an as biased opinion.

I got into the CC/CCS world because I recognized "Madison's" voice as the same one from the Monster Rancher dub. I gave it a shot and ended up enjoying the show. It had it's action and was something I had not seen before so it kept my interest. However, I noticed that somethings were out of place and some scenes I never saw aired when they did flashback sequences. Knowing how Sailor Moon and other anime have been hacked before, I thought that the same might be applied to this anime as well. From them I looked for little clues trying to solve the pieces that were jumbled up. It wasn't until I got into college that I actually saw the show uncut. That's when I noticed that the dub, while enjoyable, really had manipulated the series into parts that it was not.

First off the show is Cardcaptor Sakura, which meant the show revolves around this character. She caused the problem and ultimately was the one that had to solve it. Li had the ability to capture cards but only because he was a descendent of Clow. (Actually, people say that Sakura is as well through her father but that is another story.) Li was not acknowledged as a cardcaptor by the guardian Kero therefore he was not expected to have as much attention as the dub gave him. In fact this is a magical girl show that was intended mainly for young female viewers. Cardcaptors made the show more action oriented by manipulating the footage and making Li a more important character than he was originally supposed to be. Of course this was done to bring in more of a male audience since anime in the states tends to be male dominated. However, by doing so they wronged the original creators intent. (I'm not saying that somethings can't be changed to make it more understandable for the audience receiving the dub but this was taken a little too far when it changed the genera of the anime.) So it actually did shut out Sakura from the show. It was hers. The rest are technically supporting characters which eventually become more important but still is not the star. It's not all about fighting. It's about relationships revolving around Sakura as well. That aspect got killed and made what she did as well as the others less significant. Yes you can get to point A, B and C the same but that doesn't mean the story is the same. I think this is what bugs most of the CCS fans the most.

Character relationships were essential to the plot. The one's with Yukito really are crucial:

Let's discuss Touya first. If you had to pick a sexuality for the boy you would have to call him bi. I don't know if you have seen the original or not but do not forget that Touya was with Kaho before the whole CCS story actually took place. This can be seen in some of the flashback episodes. Her leaving him really hurt but she also predicted that by the time she came back they both would have found someone else. Of course he found Yukito and her Eriol. So Touya likes him and Yukito likes him back. What wouldn't you do for your best friend in the world? If they get some more romantic things fine. If Touya goes back to being interested in girls fine. (To be technical Yukito is asexual since Yue is neither male or female like Ruby Moon but takes the form of a male being. like Ruby takes the form of a female.) (Since I mentioned Kaho there were sayings that Eriol might be older than he actually look. If it is true that Eriol and Sakura's dad are the both the split soul of Clow Reed then they should be around the same age. Eriol needed a child's body to be able to approach Sakura in the second half without being suspicious. So Kaho might not be jailbaiting herself.)

Next is Li's attraction to Yukito. If you recall correctly it was explained that Li was attracted to Yue within Yukito. It was a magical attraction. Li actually had feelings for another, which of course was Sakura.

Next Sakura's attraction to Yukito. What's the matter with having a little crush on an older male? It happens. I know I had it watching Power Rangers. It shouldn't be any different for cartoons either. However, the difference between Sakura's crush and Li's "crush" was that Sakura's was real. Granted Yukito said that it was similar to the love Sakura felt for her dad but we know that wasn't exactly true. She liked him more than that but got over it.

Now on to Rika and Terada. I don't have full proof however it seems that the men in Japan REALLY like them young there. There it's what 16 to be legal? It doesn't really shock me that Terada didn't do anything about Rika liking him. Actually I remember having crushes on my teachers in grade school. It happens. It's not like she is making him do something that is illegal. She likes him and she shows her affections. I think I'd be crushed in a million pieces if I got rejected at the age of 10 by someone I liked. Adults should understand that things like that can happen. Ignoring it is probably one of the ways to avoid hurting the child. In the anime nothing really happens but in the manga I hear that they are actually waiting until she turns legal there. Yeah that's kind of scary but it's a difference of culture. Next group!

Tomoyo and Sakura...yeah. Let's look at Tomoyo. You got a 10 year old who comes from a rich family that is super overprotective and have a tendency to really like their close cousins. (Remember Tomoyo's mom and Sakura's mom were cousins and Tomoyo's mom was obsessed with Sakura's mom as well. Hence her growing out Tomoyo's hair like Sakura's mom.) The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. It must be the genetics. While Tomoyo has a really creapy obsession of Sakura her intentions are well enough. It's no doubt that she loves the girl. Sakura is Tomoyo's best friend. Once again what do you expect when you are surrounded by bodyguards and a crazy super busy mama. You want someone to latch on to. Now you can't really call this lesbian behavior because one it's a difference of culture and two I don't think something like this is too uncommon. I've seen asian girls around town doing the same hand holding and being all touchy and close to one another. Then if you look at other kids a bit younger you can see them being clingy to each other as well. Another prime example of this would be Anne and Diana in Anne of Green Gables. They were bosom buddies and all over each other. By today's standards you would try to categorize them as lesbians but by the time they grew up in the story there were nowhere near lesbians. Besides, you really can't help who you are attracted to. I bet a whole bunch of females find Jennifer Aniston(sp) or some other superstar attractive but you don't see them turning into lesbians because of that. Besides I don't think Tomoyo would have had a sexual lesbian thought about Sakura in her head by the age of 10. Maybe we as a society are jumping the gun a little bit. As far as Tomoyo confessing her love I know in the manga for sure that she said she will tell Sakura when she's older. We all know Sakura is clueless and would probably get all embarassed just like she did when she found out Li liked her.

As far as the classmate cousins liking each other....well Meilin was Li's cousin too. Why do you think they changed Meilin's last name in the dub?

Now for the appropriateness of the show...this is all dependent on the parent as you said. However, you must understand that first of all there is a cultural difference between the original and the dub. Japan kids know a bit more about what goes on between different issues such as sexuality or violence. Here in the states we have a tendency to shelter our kids on this stuff or make everyone kissing cousins for some reason. (Yes that was a Sailor Moon Neptune/Uranus joke there.) In all honesty I think we underestimate our kids today. They know what's up and have known for a long time. We need to realize that and expose them to situations in a gradual matter so they won't have such a reality check when they grow older. In CCS there was nothing in their that actually suggested sexual relationships between any of the characters. If anything you saw a lot of bonds between males and females whether same sex (asexual being or not) or opposite sex. If they are kids they really don't understand the full grasp of homosexuallity. Filling their heads with another girl having some feelings for another girl as wrong because you assume that she is lesbian is not helping the prejudice out there in the world. You calling CCS "CLAMP's queer" show does not help either. One it is giving a derogatory tone and you are essentially not giving respect to people who like the original relationships presented in the anime. It's like you are sinking to the level of those people who hate the dub because they took out the relationships. Once again this brings up different culture. What you say is inappropriate is not necessarily wrong or right. It can go both ways. It just depends on how one was raised.

Last topic I swear! The voice acting is also a personal thing. Some people can't stand dub voices while others are not accustomed to the higher pitch given off by the japanese actors and actresses. That doesn't mean one is superior over another. For example on could say that the dub does sound more like kids but is it accurate that they all sound like they are from the valley's of California when they clearly are from Japan. That coudl annoy the heck out of someone who is a sub lover. So it's all just a point of view.

As you can see I am not an anime purist spoiled brat. (By the way, using those terms such as "rich-man's spoiled brat" you are showing the same lack of respect that those "brats" showed you. I personally take offense to that because it starts flame wars but I will show you respect because I try not to partake in those type of events.) While I enjoyed CC for what it was it did do a wronging to the original show. While the show does have some bond between people of same sex or opposite sex I think people are really overanalyzing this. They have feelings. They aren't showing anything sexual. It's the 1990's-2000's. We are in a new era. Our kids know more than ever before. Instead of hiding it we might as well get them used to what they are seeing on tv in ways that can be discussed with their caretakers. Seeing it on a show like this would be a perfect oppurtunity to initiate the discussion of your own personal beliefs to your children and explain to them while you think they are right and wrong by showing both sides of the coin. Jumping to the gun and just outright calling it queer does not give the show respect. If it wasn't for CCS there would be no CC.

Feel free to debate me on this. I got a cold and plenty of time this weekend so have a go at it. I'm just trying to show you another point of view of someone who is not as biased on subs or dubs. (I just hope this isn't locked before I get to post this. It's a really good topic starter.)



SPOILER ALERT in case someone is reading this from the bottom up.

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Let's discuss Touya first. If you had to pick a sexuality for the boy you would have to call him bi. I don't know if you have seen the original or not but do not forget that Touya was with Kaho before the whole CCS story actually took place. This can be seen in some of the flashback episodes. Her leaving him really hurt but she also predicted that by the time she came back they both would have found someone else. Of course he found Yukito and her Eriol. So Touya likes him and Yukito likes him back. What wouldn't you do for your best friend in the world?

Become Homosexual or as you like refer "Bi." And yes, I remember that Tori was with Kaho from the episode where Sakura goes back in time and their relationship is shown. And in all honestly, you don't form a relationship with someone who is younger than you, and if he isn't younger than he appears then CLAMP should've depicted Eriol as such, not the other way around.

Next is Li's attraction to Yukito. If you recall correctly it was explained that Li was attracted to Yue within Yukito. It was a magical attraction. Li actually had feelings for another, which of course was Sakura.

Magical attraction? That's basically splitting hairs. And Li's apparent feelings for Sakura aren't shown until much later on in the show, from the beginning Li is shown disapproving Sakura.

Now on to Rika and Terada. I don't have full proof however it seems that the men in Japan REALLY like them young there. There it's what 16 to be legal? It doesn't really shock me that Terada didn't do anything about Rika liking him. Actually I remember having crushes on my teachers in grade school. It happens. It's not like she is making him do something that is illegal. She likes him and she shows her affections. I think I'd be crushed in a million pieces if I got rejected at the age of 10 by someone I liked. Adults should understand that things like that can happen. Ignoring it is probably one of the ways to avoid hurting the child. In the anime nothing really happens but in the manga I hear that they are actually waiting until she turns legal there. Yeah that's kind of scary but it's a difference of culture.

Yeah, and no it doesn't mean she forcing him to do something illegal. Basically, that's what I was basically referring to, the manga.

Tomoyo and Sakura...yeah. Let's look at Tomoyo. You got a 10 year old who comes from a rich family that is super overprotective and have a tendency to really like their close cousins. (Remember Tomoyo's Mom and Sakura's Mom were cousins and Tomoyo's Mom was obsessed with Sakura's Mom as well. Hence her growing out Tomoyo's hair like Sakura's Mom.) The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. It must be the genetics. While Tomoyo has a really creepy obsession of Sakura her intentions are well enough. It's no doubt that she loves the girl. Sakura is Tomoyo's best friend. Once again what do you expect when you are surrounded by bodyguards and a crazy super busy mama. You want someone to latch on to. Now you can't really call this lesbian behavior because one it's a difference of culture and two I don't think something like this is too uncommon. I've seen Asian girls around town doing the same hand holding and being all touchy and close to one another. Then if you look at other kids a bit younger you can see them being clingy to each other as well. Another prime example of this would be Anne and Diana in Anne of Green Gables. They were bosom buddies and all over each other. By today's standards you would try to categorize them as lesbians but by the time they grew up in the story there were nowhere near lesbians. Besides, you really can't help who you are attracted to. I bet a whole bunch of females find Jennifer Aniston(sp) or some other superstar attractive but you don't see them turning into lesbians because of that. Besides I don't think Tomoyo would have had a sexual lesbian thought about Sakura in her head by the age of 10. Maybe we as a society are jumping the gun a little bit. As far as Tomoyo confessing her love I know in the manga for sure that she said she will tell Sakura when she's older. We all know Sakura is clueless and would probably get all embarrassed just like she did when she found out Li liked her.

Basically I don't consider "Bosom Buddies" as Lesbians. I don't at all. So long as the other person doesn't have that intention toward you then I wouldn't mind the "touchy feely" relationship between females. But in all reality, Tomoyo is a Lesbian with intentions or attaction toward Sakura, she just never revealed it to the clueless girl, regardless if she disliked or liked Li.

As far as the classmate cousins liking each other....well Meilin was Li's cousin too. Why do you think they changed Meilin's last name in the dub?

As far as I'm concerned, Li never condoned in forming a romantic relationship with Melin, he was against it apparently, so I never mentioned him. Zachary and Chelsea both seemed less than "cousinly" toward eachother. Its basically why I felt Li and Melin out, I focused on the more major.

Now for the appropriateness of the show...this is all dependent on the parent as you said. However, you must understand that first of all there is a cultural difference between the original and the dub. Japan kids know a bit more about what goes on between different issues such as sexuality or violence. Here in the states we have a tendency to shelter our kids on this stuff or make everyone kissing cousins for some reason. (Yes, that was a Sailor Moon Neptune/Uranus joke there.) In all honesty I think we underestimate our kids today. They know what's up and have known for a long time. We need to realize that and expose them to situations in a gradual matter so they won't have such a reality check when they grow older. In CCS there was nothing in their that actually suggested sexual relationships between any of the characters. If anything you saw a lot of bonds between males and females whether same sex (asexual being or not) or opposite sex. If they are kids they really don't understand the full grasp of homosexuality. Filling their heads with another girl having some feelings for another girl as wrong because you assume that she is lesbian is not helping the prejudice out there in the world. You calling CCS "CLAMP's queer" show does not help either. One it is giving a derogatory tone and you are essentially not giving respect to people who like the original relationships presented in the anime. It's like you are sinking to the level of those people who hate the dub because they took out the relationships. Once again this brings up different culture. What you say is inappropriate is not necessarily wrong or right. It can go both ways. It just depends on how one was raised.

1): I know there's a culture difference. 2): There actually was. Its called Subtext for a reason. And I don't assume she's a lesbian. Actually, I'm not sinking down to the levels of those who hate dubs (there's a thin line between idiocy and non-idiocy when expressing opinion). I don't hate Purists, they just happen to annoy me with their blatant disregard. And quite frankly, no one in US who have young children (though I do not/cannot speak for everyone) underestimate them in the present day, although they might know some of things that go on in the world around them, it doesn't mean they understand it and its okay to expose them to it completely. Best to let them know when they're old enough to grasp what you're telling them. Who wants their kid pondering on [insert issue here] before the right time? And mine using the phrases like "Lesbian" - "Queer" - and "Homosexual" isn't me trying to be prejudice or help it for that matter. And yes it matters how one is raised when it all comes down to it.

The voice acting is also a personal thing. Some people can't stand dub voices while others are not accustomed to the higher pitch given off by the Japanese actors and actresses. That doesn't mean one is superior over another. For example on could say that the dub does sound more like kids but is it accurate that they all sound like they are from the valley's of California when they clearly are from Japan. That could annoy the heck out of someone who is a sub lover. So it's all just a point of view.

The people who can't stand the dubs are usually the purists, a majority of them anyway. The others, well, the majority are like me - if the dub sucks - go straight to the Japanese sub. And I never proclaimed English Dub voice acting was "superior" over the Japanese Sub, I simply said it was far better than the Japanese Sub. Not really implying that it was "superior." And believe me I'm not one to tiptoe around these things. I think I would've said, it was superior.

As you can see I am not an anime purist spoiled brat. (By the way, using those terms such as "rich-man's spoiled brat" you are showing the same lack of respect that those "brats" showed you. I personally take offense to that because it starts flame wars but I will show you respect because I try not to partake in those type of events.) While I enjoyed CC for what it was it did do a wronging to the original show. While the show does have some bond between people of same sex or opposite sex I think people are really overanalyzing this. They have feelings. They aren't showing anything sexual. It's the 1990's-2000's. We are in a new era. Our kids know more than ever before. Instead of hiding it we might as well get them used to what they are seeing on TV in ways that can be discussed with their caretakers. Seeing it on a show like this would be a perfect opportunity to initiate the discussion of your own personal beliefs to your children and explain to them while you think they are right and wrong by showing both sides of the coin. Jumping to the gun and just outright calling it queer does not give the show respect. If it wasn't for CCS there would be no CC.

Well take offense all you want (see my comment above). And for the love of all that is good stop using "Wrongdoing" as though it was a severe crime that's been comitted. I'm quite aware that cardcaptors would not have existed without the original version. It's EDITED for a reason; it doesn't have to be attached to the original relationships, little bits of storyline that was cut out and etc. And its MY THOUGHTS -- aka, I was basically trying to get my opinion out into the open, to see if there was anyone who liked "CARDCAPTORS," basically to lure them out (it worked. One did come out). And lastly, I never jumped the gun, jumped the shark, and then outright called it queer. Its MY THOUGHTS for a reason, or have you forgotten that?




In closing of this topic, I've realized it doesn't matter what other people think about my thoughts when it comes to this Japanese cartoon. Because in all honesty, everyone will basically try to disregard my opinion as trying to dictate and or be authoritative. While being so stuck in their ways with their opinions, because they want it (they're opinions) to be universal. And while this is happening, they ultimately forget the keyword here. "ITS MY THOUGHTS." I don't think I can stress that anymore. Its not a dictatorship, its not an authority review or overview, its just my thoughts on the ENGLISH VERSION, and the difference it has two the Japanese version which all of you will defend as though it were the holy grail itself. I never said this was a "CCS vs. CC"; you basically decided to turn this form into just that, simply to disregard my opinion or because of it. I'll not reform my opinion because you think I'm jumping to conclusions and whatnot. So basically Its like beating a dead horse around here. The only person I can actually thank for leaving your opinion is PRETTYSOLIDERSAILORMOON, who basically wasn't bias on what I though about this or that, she/he simply stated she loved the show and thought my opinion was well thought out. I've got nothing against CCS aside from the obvious, I'm not Prejudice either. Maybe someone who liked the English version will come and leave their opinion, because that was my aim in the beginning. To see how many people (and there are quite a few) liked CARDCAPTOR. So I'll let you squabble amongst yourselves because of my opinion. I'll just check on it every now and again and watch the sparks fly.

-------W i l l o w (Dark Knight of tomorrow)*

[Dylan's forcelance]

I like both. Plain and simple. I DO like the fact that the wb version is child safe. It should be. I think that some people have issues Moral-wise with the original version. I Am happy that there are versions to suit everyone, no matter their morals. I personally like the Voice actors in the Japanese version better, but I am not a so-called "purist" in fact, i hate the word. I think it is a very closed minded thing to be. I like to give anime a chance before judging it. Even if it is in english. I think that the original, though controversial, is awsome.