Maybe it's just me...

[older_gohan]

I'm not sure but some of these new mech shows with the amazing mechs and cool stuff they can do really turns me off. It just seems they really lack normality.

When I think of mechs I think of these cimple machines that are used in battle but aren't anything out of this world. I've probably been jaded by Macross and Gundam but really those are what I pictures mech's as.

Let me give you an example.

This is why Eureka 7 has never struck me as a good mech anime. And like I said it could just be me.

In Eureka 7 you have these good mech's that are used only by super amazing pilots. They ride boards and fly in the air. (Mimics the boarding sky divers) The thing I don't like is that even though they can be very vunerable to another mech like it they are very few and far between. Also they are much different from each other that you don't have conformity. When I think of something involving a war I imagine conformity. Of cour you have to account for different roles but even then the designs to do have to change that drastically.

Then you have a show like Gundam. This is a anime that wrote the book on mecha conformity. Almost all the mechs for either side are exactly the same. On the rare occassion you'll run into a super powerfull mech but those are for glamorous purposes to make thigns all the more interesting. However even then the regular RX-78 gundam was nothing special. A regular zaku could of made scrap metal out of it, the only thing that made it so great was that Amuro was one hell of a pilot. (Thanks to newtype abilities but that's a whole nother discussion.)

When I picture a warring world with mechs I picture the whole
"Here's your mech" and it's like the thousand others. It's mass produced simple machinery for the front lines like a soldier is. And if you show better than average abilities they give you one with better armor and maybe a slightly better gun but nothing so improved everyone dies but you who comes out unscratched.

Maybe I've been jaded by Gundam UC and the Macross anime's.
What are your thoughts on this?

[OmniStrata]

Then you'll just hate Kannaduki no Miko

Nothing like Lesbian rape to turn off an anime right?

[echo_echo]

I dont really like mecha anime anyways. But hey lesbians are cool. What could be better than a shoujo-ai?

[Chibi war]

I agree on your point... I prefer to watch mech anime above most anime, but it has to be good... Most of 'em are just excuses to show mech battles and action, while a good series, in my opinion, always focuses on the main chara, instead of something else. That's what makes an anime good, a bond between the watcher and the character. This dissapears in series as Eureka Seven, where you'll be watching to find out when the next action sequence takes place.

[The Origonal Head Hunter]

Nothing like Lesbian rape to turn off an anime right?

*has sped read up to this point* Lesbian rape what? Where?

[Super Shanko]

i know that feeling, i want to see the series because of the giant robots, even the Big-O had a decent robot brawl pretty much every episode, Eureka 7 is just like, wtf is going on? wheres the mindless mecha battles.

[The Origonal Head Hunter]

i know that feeling, i want to see the series because of the giant robots, even the Big-O had a decent robot brawl pretty much every episode, Eureka 7 is just like, wtf is going on? wheres the mindless mecha battles.

Back in the days of Gundam's actually good shows.

[hypes]

When you're thinking of simple mechs battling out in war as a mass produced tool, I know your striving for realism. From what I hear, Gasaraki may be right up your alley (though stay far away from Sakura Wars). Though as long as we're on the subject.

If someone's striving for ultimate realism in their mech show, isnt that beyond the point? I mean, it would be so expensive just to produce one mech, let alone a thousand of them. Our most high tech planes cost in the billions of dollars, like the Stealth bomber and the Raptor Fighters, something as advanced as a mobile suit would have an astronomical price tag where a country could only afford to produce a very very small number, like a special unit. Even then, with todays guerrila warfare tactics, it would be very ineffecient. Todays enemies dont even have armor, let alone mechs, and would simply run up to the mech and blow themselves up with powerful explosives or kidnap the pilot while no one was looking. The military couldnt afford to lose the pilot because he's the only one who can pilot this trillion dollar behemoth and they couldnt afford to lose the mech thanks to a suicide bomber. I guess I'm saying is that mech shows belong to a warfare of the past where both sides had high technology, the near future is against basic weaponry and suicide mentality. (Even the enemy couldnt afford a mech cus they'd just go blow it up somewhere; even if it killed thousands of people, the high price tag wouldnt be worth it).

And where is this lesbian action you speak of?

[Bardiel13]

Yeah, I watch Eureka 7 just for the sake of it. It's not so bad, but not the best I've seen. I think Gundam was really cool how it had a realistic view of mecha used in mass-production for tactical warfare. We need more shows like that

Don't get me started on KnM
It's a good anime, but the mech battles leave so much to be desired.

[older_gohan]

When you're thinking of simple mechs battling out in war as a mass produced tool, I know your striving for realism. From what I hear, Gasaraki may be right up your alley (though stay far away from Sakura Wars). Though as long as we're on the subject.

If someone's striving for ultimate realism in their mech show, isnt that beyond the point? I mean, it would be so expensive just to produce one mech, let alone a thousand of them. Our most high tech planes cost in the billions of dollars, like the Stealth bomber and the Raptor Fighters, something as advanced as a mobile suit would have an astronomical price tag where a country could only afford to produce a very very small number, like a special unit. Even then, with todays guerrila warfare tactics, it would be very ineffecient. Todays enemies dont even have armor, let alone mechs, and would simply run up to the mech and blow themselves up with powerful explosives or kidnap the pilot while no one was looking. The military couldnt afford to lose the pilot because he's the only one who can pilot this trillion dollar behemoth and they couldnt afford to lose the mech thanks to a suicide bomber. I guess I'm saying is that mech shows belong to a warfare of the past where both sides had high technology, the near future is against basic weaponry and suicide mentality. (Even the enemy couldnt afford a mech cus they'd just go blow it up somewhere; even if it killed thousands of people, the high price tag wouldnt be worth it).

And where is this lesbian action you speak of?

I'm going to address this on the fact that reality of a mobile suit in combat today and in mass production is very possible. The thing with government spending is that as long as resources are available and the people were willing to bear with the millions upon millions of government spending they would easily walk into a production of something such as a mobile suit. The idea with any military weapon is not the number of people killed but the effectiveness of that weapon. In other word the truth is that the average number of people a weapon such as a F/A-18 kills in a day? I'd say one, maybe two. Depending on war time situation. Not to mention we have thousands of these planes. The other thing with government spending is out with the old and in with the new. So when ever a plane such as the F/A-22 or F/A-35 is beggining productions, like any good company they will liquidate their stock of outdated products. In this case as the 22 and 35 come more into production you'll see less and less of the 18 because the government will be selling them like hotcakes to other countries.
As for a Mobile Suit? The use of something like that could prove usefull. A simple suicide bomber would have little to no effect on something as heavily designed as a Mobile suit. The armor is to well built and like any good unit such a weapon would not go in with out infantry backup.

But were looking at it the wrong way. In this type of warefare situation that we are in now, such a weapon as a MS would be pretty useless. There's nothign wrong with the battles being fought bu the truth is we have sufficent technology to get the job done.

However we have seen that in history the type of warfare used by a nation can change within years. Technology doesn't have to take a major leap for warfare to change. How the technology is used is what changes how people fight.

Believe it or not the world has seen this type of warfare for thousands of years. The only difference is we are developing types of weapons to deal with the immediate threat. But what do you think will happen when enemies start to realize that the weapons we are developing are going to make their type's of warfare completely absolete?

I am positive that at one point or another this world will change to warfare stance that will require things such as mobile suits as a front line neccesity.

And to address one last subject, mass production. The U.S. spends hundreds of billions of dollars on a military budget to fund for all developments for new and improved weapons. This includes upkeep, new product, and development. Mass producing something like a mobile suit is no problem. The big money spender is in developing it to a point were it would be effective. Of course when has that stopped our country?