EVA Ending (MAJOR SPOILER WARNING)

Alucard77 · Post by **Alucard77** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 11:26 pm

I thought Asuka won at first but than the EVA series's spears all turned into copies of the Lance of Loginous (spelling?) it all went downhill from there.

UncleMilo · Post by **UncleMilo** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:46 am

Alucard77 wrote:It is a pity some people didn't like EoE. I guess those were the people who like happy, solid endings you don't have to think about to understand. I hate those kind of endings because they are hollow. A fools ending baisically.

If you found the ending of the TV series to be hollow and foolish, I really think you missed a lot. The ending was not "happy"... it was empowering and strong.

I usually hear the reverse anyway. Most people I've seen up til now complain that the TV show made no sense and that the movie "fixed things".

None the less, I feel like the TV was a complete series and didn't need anything esle. The movie was a forced issue and most of it feels like a big "f-you" to the people who sent the thousands of hate mails to Anno.

-Uncle Milo

UncleMilo · Post by **UncleMilo** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:55 am

Daio Kaji wrote:actually, i think most of the summing up was done is the episodes before those last two, but the rest is right, it's pretty much shinji smiling (at the very end, before that, it's pretty depressing from shinji's point of view
i would like to know what questions are plaging people that weren't answered in the EoE
i liked the movie ending, it went great in conjuction with the series ending
to be specific, people say EoE and the tv series ending of eva are the same except EoE was external and tv ending was internal, that's not exactly right, it only applies to the part of EoE where instrumentality begins, the parts before and the parts after were not in the tv ending, only in EoE (asuka fight rocked)

While I agree that the Asuka fight rocked and the raid on NERV was also pretty durn cool... I still get annoyed with the fact that the movie ever got made.

Parts 25 and 26 are happening while EOE is happening, but there is a lot of back and forth that has to be done to get continuity right (since 25 and 26 jump about)

I mean... yeah, we see glimpses (like Asuka in her plug suit inside EVA 02 in the lake shortly before her battle), but I persoanlly think the end of the movie was pretty poor. It just kind of stops with no real sense of anything... unlike the strong and empowering message of the TV series.

However... the movie was forced anyway.

-Uncle Milo

UncleMilo · Post by **UncleMilo** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:00 am

Satomi wrote:For the record, the last two episodes were nothing but clips of the series. You didn't really miss much accept Shinji smiling and the pasts of the the psycho pilots. Kinda sad though.

There is a hell of a lot more going on in the last two episodes than that. I'm sorry you missed all that was discussed in the show, since the last two episodes resolve all the deeper issues and questions brought up in the show...

The comments about the characters help paint the final picture that Shinji requires to reach his ultimate conclusion.

-Uncle Milo

UncleMilo · Post by **UncleMilo** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:04 am

I'd be happy to talk about EVA in Private Messages and E-Mails for anyone who would like to talk about it. I am a fan of the series and can't always maintain conversation on threads like this one...

Just wanted to mention.

-Uncle Milo

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:20 am

Indeed, I agree with Milo about the movie. It has the "fuck you" aspect and the fanservice aspect (lots of blood and gore and awesome stuff), but it doesn't seem to offer any real closure, and in fact it seems to have the opposite effect.

Considering that Eva was made during a low point in Hideaki Anno's life, revisiting Evangelion was probably not something Anno wanted to do. It'd take him back to that period, there are things about it he probably finds embarassing in retrospect, and he has other projects and ideas he'd like to work on. The fans want more, and act like assholes about it, and Gainax wants more (hey, you don't just let a billion dollar franchise rest, especially when there is still a strong demand).

That, in my opinion, is probably how the fuck-you revenge flick known as End of Evangelion came about. And it was completely unnecessary. For instance, the raid on NERV HQ was not that terribly crucial to the plot, in my book - it just made a handy way to kill off main and minor characters.
There's more anger than art in the movie.

So yes, I prefer the TV ending. Less traumatic, a lot deeper, and the ultimately satisfying one between the two.

On the other hand, even a cliched pseudo-happy ending would've worked, but oh well.

AtomicWeezleman · Post by **AtomicWeezleman** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 5:11 am

UncleMilo wrote:
Daio Kaji wrote:actually, i think most of the summing up was done is the episodes before those last two, but the rest is right, it's pretty much shinji smiling (at the very end, before that, it's pretty depressing from shinji's point of view
i would like to know what questions are plaging people that weren't answered in the EoE
i liked the movie ending, it went great in conjuction with the series ending
to be specific, people say EoE and the tv series ending of eva are the same except EoE was external and tv ending was internal, that's not exactly right, it only applies to the part of EoE where instrumentality begins, the parts before and the parts after were not in the tv ending, only in EoE (asuka fight rocked)
While I agree that the Asuka fight rocked and the raid on NERV was also pretty durn cool... I still get annoyed with the fact that the movie ever got made.

Parts 25 and 26 are happening while EOE is happening, but there is a lot of back and forth that has to be done to get continuity right (since 25 and 26 jump about)

I mean... yeah, we see glimpses (like Asuka in her plug suit inside EVA 02 in the lake shortly before her battle), but I persoanlly think the end of the movie was pretty poor. It just kind of stops with no real sense of anything... unlike the strong and empowering message of the TV series.

However... the movie was forced anyway.

-Uncle Milo

Go milo go milo, i would have said all that, but hey, you said it anyway...

Yeah, the TV ending will always be the true ending to me, it just meant all so much more to me, those who prefered the EOE ending, and think eps 25 & 26 are just a quick hash, are more than likely the sort that like eva for the mech fights, and missed the point of the series..... (character development.....)but then again, i say more than likely...so i could be wrong.

Anyhow

Oh by the way Daio Kaji, the quote

How many people have to die to save humanity

is from Neon Genesis Evangelion Book 7, Shinji says it (yes, he said something useful!) or at least thats where i read it (and thats why its in my sig)

Milo, if your really desperate to talk eva, talk to me, i can talk all day.....

Savia · Post by **Savia** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 6:46 am

kthulhu wrote:Considering that Eva was made during a low point in Hideaki Anno's life, revisiting Evangelion was probably not something Anno wanted to do. It'd take him back to that period, there are things about it he probably finds embarassing in retrospect, and he has other projects and ideas he'd like to work on.

Boy, this bodes well for the live-action movie.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 7:05 am

Anno isn't working on the live action Eva.

Savia · Post by **Savia** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 7:07 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Anno isn't working on the live action Eva.

I know; I meant for him personally rather than for our (already shaky) chances of getting a decent movie out of all of this :/