Kagome vs Kikyo... who would you pick?

[madbunny]

I'm just being argumentative, because we have indeed had many of these threads just recently. In one, I argued that through a dubious chain of logic, that Inuyasha would destroy the entire world.

I personally favor Kagome because she's not all cynical (and not dead), over Kikyo, but decided to argue it the other way. It's anime, not like either choice is going have a lasting effect on anything.
You'd think that given her situation she would
A) get some archery lessons
B) buy a compound bow from the future
C) wear combat fatigues instead of a short skirt. Fashion or not.

[Nienna Elentari]

I'm just being argumentative, because we have indeed had many of these threads just recently. In one, I argued that through a dubious chain of logic, that Inuyasha would destroy the entire world.

I personally favor Kagome because she's not all cynical (and not dead), over Kikyo, but decided to argue it the other way. It's anime, not like either choice is going have a lasting effect on anything.
You'd think that given her situation she would
A) get some archery lessons
B) buy a compound bow from the future
C) wear combat fatigues instead of a short skirt. Fashion or not.

I see what you are saying and i agree that its anime and it doesnt matter in the end but its fun to see what other fellow anime lovers think thats all. who knows maybe im the odd one =\

[Nienna Elentari]

ok not to be mean or anything, but just because we have had a lot of threads about something does that mean there cant be anymore? I guess i feel personally attacked at everything i post here because its "been" or its not "good enough." i mean if people want to post something cause their curiosity gets the best of em, who cares! dont bash them for doing what they want its a friggen forum... its not like it has to be done a certain way.. theres no laws. plus if there has been a lot of threads about something than who cares, you dont have to post a reply, heck you dont even have to read it! no ones forcing you to! I guess im just getting sick of being attacked for stupid things like this and had to say something. I cant be on all the time so i tend to miss a lot of things and im not going to waste time and sort through thousands of pages to find what i want to know or just curious about.



"if you're going through hell, keep going."
- sir winston churchill

[madbunny]

Nobody is attacking you, as far as I can see. If there was for example a currently running thread for this, then sure... it would happen.

You probably noticed that for all the griping about Inu threads, you still got responses right? So relax already.

Personally I like to argue the minor points of shows like this anyway since they are so long that by and large plotpoints get rehashed time and again.
Did I mention, relax?

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[Arigatomina]

...hey thats another one... poor Kaoru, dedicates her life to Kenshin and hes still a jerk to her and still yearns for Tomoe. so another one is KENSHIN AND TOMOE or KENSHIN AND KAORU? I dunno thats a tougher one for meself, have to think on it.
Enlighten me! ^_^

Are you talking about Rurouni Kenshin, or something in the 'final' ova where they 'wrap up' the series?

In the series, Kenshin bends over backwards to please Kaoru. He's always hiding his problems so she doesn't worry, and he takes constant 'Kagome-like' physical abuse without so much as getting annoyed. He plays the 'guardian' role, the 'friend' role, and eventually the 'husband' role - all to make her happy. He is *never* a jerk to her. Not once in the entire anime did he say anything mean to her. He never even so much as argued with her when she threw a temper tantrum. He was exactly what she wanted him to be at all times - the only exception was when he had to protect her, in which case he was *still* giving her what she needed.

As for Tomoe - when does he 'yearn' for her? o.O He loved her, mourns her (Kyoto arc), and remembers her the way anyone would a loved one. But yearn? He barely thinks about her in the anime - all of his memories of the past are about himself and his battles, his victims. The fact that she doesn't even come up until the end of the Kyoto saga makes it pretty obvious that he wasn't thinking that much about her. And he never has an Inuyasha-esque moment where he stands around with a puppy face wishing she were with him. If you don't know the manga, you'd never even know he was married once - even the 'grave' scene doesn't say she was his wife. She's an unnamed character in the series.

And if Kenshin's unresponsiveness to Kaoru's blushing is why you think he's yearning for Tomoe instead, you're misunderstanding the characters. He doesn't ignore Kaoru's dreams of romance and marriage because he's still 'stuck' on Tomoe. He sees her as a child. He never looks at her in a romantic way (up through the Kyoto arc), and treats her the way an older brother would his sister - or the way a polite man would treat an innocent teenage girl who needs his help and companionship. That might make him seem inconsiderate, but it's not 'being a jerk'. It's not taking advantage of a 16yr old girl who happens to have a crush on the person she's dependent on for personal strength. That's half of what makes Kenshin such a respectable character.

I really don't see where you get him 'being a jerk' to her, or 'pining after Tomoe'. If you're going by the ovas, or the christian arc, then nevermind. If you're going by something that takes place later in the manga, then maybe he *does* turn into a stranger. But in the anime series, Kenshin is perfectly sweet to Kaoru at all times, and never once mentions or thinks about Tomoe - if not for that one graveyard scene, she might as well not even exist.

[Keep in mind that I don't consider that final ova to be 'true' to the series, the same with the 'christian' saga.]

[Rhyevaln]

1) we've already had this thread

2) use paragraphs

1) i dont care if this had been a thread.. im not going to sort though 2 thous some pages to find it! if you want to do that for me than go ahead! sorrie im not on enough to get every lil question.

2) what are you my english teacher? i can write the way i want and whats the big deal.... you still can read cant you?

1) Try Search. It's useful. If you get a lot of hits. Try narrowing your search by adding more words to the search or limiting the forums it searches.
I know it can be a pain in the butt sometimes. That and if it's a really old thread, you can't help but wonder if it will be the same if you started a new thread.


2) Using proper grammar and spelling is all I ask. It just helps everyone understand what is trying to be conveyed through the writers text. A sloppily written refute is not going to speak much of anything, however the same refute written logically can have a totally different impact.
I don't know about paragraphs either. I have seen some pretty incomprehensible paragraphs. My only suggestiong is; If you include a sub catagory (i.e. new topic, different view/idea, addressing something else) press enter once, if not twice. It helps the flow, this way people know the topic has turned. Slightly or no where close, it helps.

3) This doesn't only apply to this thread but ALL of them. Just a thought on my part.

As for the Topic:
I believe that the conflict triangle between Inuyasha, Kagome and Kikyo has gone on way~~~ to long in the anime. Inuyasha is showing an incredible amount of immaturity on the matter. Kagome needs to wake up and take some initiative and Kikyo needs to let it GO! She, of all of them, should have been the first to stop her petty game of "Lost love returns to haunt and torture." For all I know she's going to continue this somehow, in some way, later on in the show. My vote goes to Kagome for reasons already discussed. (omg Madbunny; I would so love to see Kagome in combat fatigues! That would RULE \m/ >.< \m/ )

[madbunny]

As for the Topic:
I believe that the conflict triangle between Inuyasha, Kagome and Kikyo has gone on way~~~ to long in the anime. Inuyasha is showing an incredible amount of immaturity on the matter. Kagome needs to wake up and take some initiative and Kikyo needs to let it GO! She, of all of them, should have been the first to stop her petty game of "Lost love returns to haunt and torture."

You know, oddly enough, I found that the second movie could have been a decent wrap for the series with a little work. I'll skip the spoilers for those who haven't seen it, but it seems to me that the series has reached a point where everyone has basically made up their minds about the main characters. Excepting the who's hotter type opinions (Sango all the way), I see by and large a consensus even from the rabid fan types.
Now that you mention it, Kikyo would be the first one to let it go from what we've seen of her character. The original plotline about being trapped at the state of death and hating Inuyasha sort of got dropped after a while for some reason. Pity that, since it would have made for some truly trenchant anguish on his part, this making his character more believable and compelling.

(omg Madbunny; I would so love to see Kagome in combat fatigues! That would RULE \m/ >.< \m/ )

As for your wish: See below.
(sorry about the crappy quality)

[Rhyevaln]

O.O

\m/ >.< \m/

(sorry about the crappy quality)

Who cares? I can die a happy man.

[Nienna Elentari]

1) we've already had this thread

2) use paragraphs

1) i dont care if this had been a thread.. im not going to sort though 2 thous some pages to find it! if you want to do that for me than go ahead! sorrie im not on enough to get every lil question.

2) what are you my english teacher? i can write the way i want and whats the big deal.... you still can read cant you?

1) Try Search. It's useful. If you get a lot of hits. Try narrowing your search by adding more words to the search or limiting the forums it searches.
I know it can be a pain in the butt sometimes. That and if it's a really old thread, you can't help but wonder if it will be the same if you started a new thread.


2) Using proper grammar and spelling is all I ask. It just helps everyone understand what is trying to be conveyed through the writers text. A sloppily written refute is not going to speak much of anything, however the same refute written logically can have a totally different impact.
I don't know about paragraphs either. I have seen some pretty incomprehensible paragraphs. My only suggestiong is; If you include a sub catagory (i.e. new topic, different view/idea, addressing something else) press enter once, if not twice. It helps the flow, this way people know the topic has turned. Slightly or no where close, it helps.

3) This doesn't only apply to this thread but ALL of them. Just a thought on my part.

As for the Topic:
I believe that the conflict triangle between Inuyasha, Kagome and Kikyo has gone on way~~~ to long in the anime. Inuyasha is showing an incredible amount of immaturity on the matter. Kagome needs to wake up and take some initiative and Kikyo needs to let it GO! She, of all of them, should have been the first to stop her petty game of "Lost love returns to haunt and torture." For all I know she's going to continue this somehow, in some way, later on in the show. My vote goes to Kagome for reasons already discussed. (omg Madbunny; I would so love to see Kagome in combat fatigues! That would RULE \m/ >.< \m/ )

thanx for the info.. i know what you mean i guess i get a little sloppy at typing, cause usually I'm surviving on little sleep and i get sloppy.. my bad.

and i totally agree with you on this love triangle thing... just kill kikyo already they arent doing her any justice!

[Yukina_Raven]

Well, that and as of Episode 125...

...Kikyou is undeniably dead... or at least I think so.. despite her being killed by Naraku, Inuyasha still seems like he refuses to believe it. I haven't watched that far yet, though I have up to that point and beyond. I must watch more.. I just catch spoilers here and there, heh.

Ah, but if you read the manga, you should already have yer answer. If you haven't...

Kikyo would've died from Naraku, but she doesn't. Why? Because Kagome saves her. Yes, you heard me. Kagome finds Kikyo floating in a pool of poisoned water, a huge gaping wound in her chest where Naraku got her. The wound is seeping with miasma (sp?) and Kagome is given a choice. Save Kikyo, or not save her. And only Kagome CAN save her, of coruse. So she goes into the water and purifies Kikyo's wound and the water, thus saving Kikyo. Phew!

As for the question...I'm a HUGE fan of Kagome and Inu-Yasha as a couple. However if the two mikos were to duke it out...Kikyo would probably win. 8) Only because she's stronger than Kagome and more experienced.
Kikyo is also badly mistreated in the Inu-Yasha fandom world and I find that unfair. I like Inu-Yasha and Kagome as a couple, yes, but I do like Kikyo more as a character.