Naruto...A little Sexist?

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Post by Calim » Thu Jun 24, 2004 8:03 pm

O_o people need to stop whining seriously.

1. There are strong women characters in there Take Tsunade and her Lt. for example, they both kick serious ass! Also
*SPOILER HIGHLIGHT TO READ* wrote: Tsunade becomes hokage and is shown in a major battle scene with that snake dude (I don't know how to spell his name)

2. Sakura although not as shown as much as Naruto or either of the guys is a major character (so is Hinata or so I believe) and they have pretty cool fights.

3. This anime is about a guy named Naruto not a girl named whatever, don't like it? Get over it.

You cannot please everyone with just one series it doesn't happen that person who created it created it as he or she wants it and how fans might like it. Best thing to do is shut up and stop whining and deal with it, fussing about it doesn't help.
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Post by Daio Kaji » Thu Jun 24, 2004 10:14 pm

Calim's post x2

Tsunade is definately a strong character
Ino is fairly strong
Sakura has her own traits given kudos by kakashi saying that she has the best control of her chakra

but yeah... women are always played down, but Naruto isn't that bad

and if you want, you can add Haku to that list :razz: he's a guy, but he's been mistaken as different before
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Post by MAS PRODUCTIONS » Thu Jun 24, 2004 10:38 pm

Since I dont know if your keeping up with the manga as well as the anime, Im gonna try to keep the spoilers down. Tsuande is by far one of the most powerful ninja's in Naruto. The rest of this is spoilers:
Naruto anime and manga spoilers wrote:Tsunade becomes the hokage and is on par with Orochimaru and Jiraiya, two of the strongest ninja is the series. Also Temari is extremely powerful, she proves this in the current manga releases. Also Hinata is one of more powerful ninjas in the rookie nine. She just doesn't like violence so she tries to avoid conflict.
I do agree that TenTen and Sakura are weak in fighting but that doesn't mean that they are weak. Sakura is a genius who has excellent chakra control, something that even higher up ninja's dont possess. TenTen on the other hand has amazing accuracy as well as a good knowledge of battle tactics. Ino is kinda weak but she does have an advantage in spying with her technique.

I think Sakura will become stronger once she gets over Sasuke. I think Kakashi said it best that girls her age are more intersted in dating than being a Ninja. Which holds true with Ino and Sakura.

Sakura has the capacity to become a very strong ninja once she realises that it is an option. Right now she only has one goal and unfortunatly its not becoming stronger physically. Its sad but since this is the case she ends up being a character that is always protected ( a fact she realizes herself).

Now that thats said I do want to include one fact into this. When its all said and done the male ninja do have a genetic advantage over the girls as far as strength so naturally they will fight better than the females. But the creator has gotten past this fact by giving them them abilities far beyond their male counter-parts.

A general note - In talking with many girls througout my life I have noted that they generally dont like fighting for either the reason of not liking violence or thinking its stupid. I think this is reflected in the series since above all else these are female characters. Even though they are ninja's it doesn't mean that they will be as violent as some of the male characters. But I dont think this is a bad trait. This gives them the room to look at things from a non fighting view point and come up with options that say Naruto or Shikamaru couldn't come up with.

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Post by ansem'skitty » Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:24 am

Urm...I like it the way it is.
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Post by Alpha_Hazard » Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:33 am

I can see that it doesn't bother anybody nearly as much as me...I suppose that now that I think about it...Sakura is quite a strong character...and it's not that it really matters...the talking parts are what she is annoying in, and that's really the focus...And I understand that it is called NARUTO, so you can't very well focus on the wrong character...

Does anybody else see the Similarities in character design between Hinata and Shinobu from Love Hina?

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Post by madbunny » Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:52 pm

Alpha_Hazard wrote: Does anybody else see the Similarities in character design between Hinata and Shinobu from Love Hina?
Sure.. except for the part about training to kill people, leaping through treetops with ease, magical powers and hot having any pupils.
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Post by Rei Chan » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:24 pm

Well I think that all shounen animes have a little sexism in it. It IS directed at male audiences after all.

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Post by Alpha_Hazard » Fri Jun 25, 2004 7:20 pm

madbunny wrote:
Alpha_Hazard wrote: Does anybody else see the Similarities in character design between Hinata and Shinobu from Love Hina?
Sure.. except for the part about training to kill people, leaping through treetops with ease, magical powers and hot having any pupils.
OK, perhaps just in the voice and mannerisms mister sarcastic pants.

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Post by someperson » Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:38 am

Sexist issues annoy me :twisted: . I better stop my post right there. You don't want to get me started on this subject. The ranting would become quite ugly.
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Recommendation with Strong Female Cast

Post by HeavyMetal » Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:10 am

Naruto

Well I am not sure I would call it sexist so much as aimed at a particular audience. Minor characters do get less time in the spot light, which means Naruto will be more likely to save the day than Sakura.

Sakura represents the obstacle that he can not best. She has more refined control of her power and can always just smack him.

But yeah there is a large focus on the male characters.

I sometimes wonder if male characters are more front stage in action to avoid a reputation for fan service. Lets face it in fights shirts and pants rip.

A lot of shows that do have strong female leads tend to have a good bit of fan service.

Don't put Burn-Up Excess down too much. Granted it is a never ending locker scene to a degree, but think about how it portrays characters.

All the best agents are female, they have strong characteristics, and a greater since of pride and honor than the main male characters.

The big protagonist male in the series being Yuji is the comic relief; a goofy guy that tends to blow it often due to his over active libido.

Najica has strong female characters, but it is definitely more for the fan service I think. Love Lila's character design though.


Shows to try:

Utena
Comic Party (Gender balanced from the little I have seen)
Wrath of the Ninja (female lead in an action movie)
Inuyasha (Kagome's the boss and she will pick an arrow if needed.)
Evangelion (Asuka is much more assertive than Shinji)
and plenty of others as well if keep an eye out.

Princess Ai (Comes out soon, has Courtney Love in it, talk about a girl with brass)

Show I recommend:

Kiddy Grade

(I know it sounds like something Michael Jackson gets accused of, but the show is awesome)

Give it a chance:

I fortunately saw Vol. 2 first. It takes a minute to get into the story...so you think at first.

If I had seen episode 1 first I might have watched another episode just because the art is good. I mean damn this show has a beautiful design. The animation is crisp and smooth too. But things seem mundane and girly at first.

The show starts off maybe even a little cheesy, but some things just don't fit. You might chalk it up to over dramatics or some little girls shoujo technique, but it tends to be clues to something more.

If you are very observant and analytical you will either think, 'something is developing behind the scenes *cool*', or 'man how did they miss such plot holes or is it a bad translation *its not and they didn't*.'

As it progress you get an increasing feeling that something just isn't right, like the numbers don't add up. Like something stinks in paradise.

Its like the feeling of a scratch at the roof of your mouth. Its there but you can't see it. And it would heal if you could only stop tonguing it....but you can't. (Paraphrased from Fight Club, it seemed to fit the feeling.)

Story:

On the surface it is pretty and has themes like friendship, girlish love, good over evil, and just plain general cuteness. :)

Underneath there is a sense of that blurry line between good and evil, philosophy, self-identity, freedom, and choice. :)

The show is excellent without its more complicated side, but made even greater by the eloquent subtlety of its more complex side.

And believe me it is very eloquent and subtitle with its darker edge.
:wink:

Very lovable characters too. They have real depth which may not be apparent at first, but is very prominate not too much later.

Character:

The main characters are mostly female and play very strong leads.

Eclair is strong, powerful, and assertive yet does not lack a more three dimensional sensitive side. :D

Lumiere is sophisticate, but not without a heart. :D

Armblast the Auditor is the main male character. He is the more subdued behind the scenes character. (Quite a gender role reversal to an extent.) 8)

The characters range greatly as well. One particular pair is a couple of down right assassin cold bitches as far I have scene in series. Some are resigned, some are out going, and some are shy and observant.

Artistic Beauty:

Sometimes its hard to find anime that are beautiful, but don't constantly show pretty stills.

This show is beautiful in action and in stills. Doesn't have many stills either, none that I can think of which really boosts my opinion of its beauty even more.

I can't think of show that can best KG for its sheer artistic beauty. :D

The use of light, water, motion, coloring, just everything is exquisite.
:shock: :D

Type of Show:

It has a little bit of a lot things.

It has that girlish drama to it.

It has emotional drama.

It has nice smooth fighting action scenes. (None of that cut to flashes of light either)

Nice spaceship battles too.

Fan Service...not really...

(A panty shot or two and maybe a revealing out fit for Eclair.

It is only done when funny or appropriate. Most of it is a product of character outfits, mostly Eclair. Her outfit is rather elaborate and pretty, but under some circumstances a little revealing.)

The show is great blend of entertainment.

It should be mentioned the voice cast is great. (You may recognize some of them from Fruit Basket, Yu Yu Hakushou, and a few other shows.)

The sound effects kick-ass. Dolby Digital all the way at a very very impressive level for a series. 8)

Website:

You can get to the site from the Funimation website. Its is nice well designed site done in Flash.

Funimation's translation actually does a nice job. I do have a problem with the wine getting called 'grape juice' due to the appearance of Lumiere's age. .....*$*@#(@#.......%&@(#$()@&.......*%$#@&...censorship. :evil:

Who Should Watch:

I think you would like it Alpha_Hazard, I am almost certain of it.

If your DBZ only person steer clear. Though I am a fan of DBZ.

Bebop fans may like, but I am not sure as I really am not that big a fan of Cowboy Bebop.

Sailormoon fans might like it, but so might people that found Sailormoon lacking.

Its such an odd cross genre of themes its hard to say so I will say this...

it has some shoujo style to it, it has fights, it has spaceships, it has drama, it has cheery happiness, and it has both simple and complex parts.

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