Last Unicorn

[SarahtheBoring]

i find it rather sad of the outlook here, closing off animated art and beauty becasue of the nationality of the creators.

Uh... "making restrictions on what can be uploaded here, because lines have to be drawn somewhere or we'll have videos of random people's dogs" is not the same as "closing off animated art and beauty."

I love TLU to death; it's basically THE touchstone movie of my childhood. But I don't consider it anime. You can think both things, really. It's not hard. Just chill.

Besides, this doesn't really pertain to you unless you intend to make TLU videos and find it impossible to get hosting anywhere else on the whole wide internet, which, suffice to say, probably isn't the case. So why are you getting so insanely freaked out over it?

[Unpronounceable_Symbol]

"Anime" is a tricky term, but in the context of, say, "AnimeMusicVideos.org," it's meant to be considered the shortened form of the Japanese loanword for animation (アニメーション, or　アニメ). Since the English term most often used for the same general idea is, if I'm not mistaken, "cartoon," the two words can be easily distinguished, and thus have fallen into fairly common usage.

That said, The Last Unicorn is (once again) not considered 'anime' because it is not Japanese, eg. it was not written by Japanese writers for release to a Japanese market with Japanese dialogue and so forth. The vast majority of 'anime' meets all those criteria.

The most important criterion, it seems, would be style. Anime is very stylized, noticeably in such areas as eye size, implication of motion in action scenes, hair colors, and so forth. American cartoons are also stylized, but it looks significantly different from Japanese anime because of the different style of the art. This criterion is what allows something like The Big O to be considered anime (if we consider it to be such); the art is heavily stylized in a similar manner as Japanese anime.

Obviously the term grows more and more nebulous with inspection, with shows like The Big O (Japanese production studios but intended for American release) and Samurai Jack (American production for American release but intended to simulate Japanese stylization), or even in manga versus comics, Megatokyo or comics from Antarctic Press, or the work of Adam Warren (who authored and penciled several of Dark Horse's Dirty Pair comics). So there is no answer to your question.

I am the master of long diatribes about unimportant stuff that don't even manage to answer the question posed. w00t

[Kazutaka]

Thank you for clearing up the confusion here. I too was very much in the dark as to the exact definition of ANIME. I think I am clear now that only the Japanese can create anime, everything else created by anyone else in the world "animated" by whatever means is only regulated to the category of "CARTOONS". Or in the case of other people/nations trying to "COPY" the Japanese style of art as BIG O which is considered anime.

I see now that my current project from "La Planete Sauvage" or "Fantastic Planet" will only be considered a cartoon and not ANIME due to its France/Czechoslovakia origin and I best not try to post it to the ANIME forum as it is indeed NOT an ANIME due to its very non-Japanese style and target audience.

SarahtheBoring
I understand that you have to have some limit as to what you will allow or prefer to be uploaded to this site. I also understand some people may have a preference for Japanese anime over any other type of ANIMATED feature. I have no problem with this "SITE" considering only Japanese Anime to be anime in the way that you show a preference or specialty for people of like interest to gather. HOWEVER, I think your example of submitting "videos of random people's dogs" was a bit much. I may have MISUNDERSTOOD the term anime as NOT referring to all ANIMATED features but I would not mistake random dogs for anime unless they were indeed ANIMATED.

I also understand and agree with Zetsuai I find it hard to believe that only one country/style of animation can claim that title and that everything else created any where else for anyone else cannot share the same general category but is considered a cartoon. Apart from the fact that I find the word cartoon very childish, I despise constrictive absolute labeling of an entire genre just because it is not made by and for a certain nationality of people. I find it a very typical American attitude to wish to place things in absolute categories. I love the style and art of Japanese animation, however "La Planete Sauvage" has absolutely beautiful artwork and a style within its own just as "The Last Unicorn" has its own unique attributes. To place these and the many others out there like them into the ‘cartoon’ category does not seem right to me.

I have learned a valuable lesson today as I am currently at University to finish my degree in video editing and computer animation. I now know where to categorize myself and my work in the future (unless I move to Japan and suddenly become Japanese and target all my work to the Japanese culture) I will be a computer Cartoonist….. somehow that just takes all the prestige out of my title.

** I apologize for going on about this, its a sensitive subject to me as an artist and I don't like the current culture of attaching strict labels and categories on all things art as we (the world) is consisted of many different diverse and wonderful cultures that ALL have something to contribute and should not just be dismissed for such meaningless reasons as nationality or target audience. I did not intend to offend anyone with this, it is just my opinion, my point of view, another perspective if you will.

[SarahtheBoring]

*sigh*

that was exaggeration. I didn't think you'd even take that literally and seriously.

My point was that the admins have decided to draw lines at certain places, because they have to do such things to keep the site contained and orderly. That's what they chose to do.

My other point, also lost, was that considering something non-anime is not discrediting it. To do so is to suggest that all non-anime animation is invalid or subpar, and that isn't fair.

Buuuuut you're probably going to blow this post WAY out of proportion too, so I yield.

[Zetsuai]

hey Sara havent been in here in a long time... but i remember you.... hehehe.... thanks for supporting TLU!

... actually i was going to step out with this and i am glad you said what you did, because i think you understand... and hear my plea to you then!

lets post a thread for those of you who like non japanese anime.... there have to be at least 5 or 6 people in here that would wirte. i want to forward an idea to the site design team... a new category under the Forum Index called "Non-Japanese Anime". If we can envoke a good response, then maybe the future Non-Japanese AMV category could be BORN... with restriction that you have to provide the host for it. i am not asking to take up space on the Forum for it's intended purpose... Japanese Anime.
i am asking the Forum to be a place to open the mind to new ideas in the genere of entertainment that we ALL LOVE!!!

BUT it is asking for change.... and MOST people do not like change no matter WHAT they say. (take a few Anthropology classes in University and you will understand the world in the way it IS beyond most, and much more correctly.) I dont know, i am prob asking tooooo much of people... opening minds is very long and tedious work....


I WANT TO SEE TLU VIDS!!! "i yell in a very Shuichi like way!"

"my fav non-J anime" look it even rhyms!

what do you think Sara????? would you support this idea??? i think Kaz would to... dont you?

drop me a line if ya do.... nite nite! (this looks like a sumo wrestler, doesnt it?)

[O-Kagachi]

The last unicorn isnt anime, Nuff' Said, so please DO kill this thread before it gets off topic.

[MOD42: The original question has been answered, and this is starting to drift off topic. Thread locked.]