Worst anime ever?

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 4:31 pm

Alucard_FoN wrote: Once again, those are not the reasons I didn't like it. Indeed, Metropolis DID have pointless filler AND annoying characters. The characters are, in fact, one of the reasons I didn't like it. Along with crappy animation, TERRIBLE music, and what I saw as a subpar plot. Now, the plot had potential, but they failed to really do anything with it since it was a movie and therefore too short. Had Metropolis been an OVA, perhaps it would have been better, but as it stands, it's my least favorite anime I've ever seen... except maybe DBZ... but I've only seen that on american TV and it hardly counts as anime at that point anyway.

please, it was a two hour movie, not a 26 ep series, before you come down on metropolis for pointless filler I suggest you give anoyther good hard look at a few other series you like *COUGH*CHOBITS*COUGH* and if you want to gripe about bad characters I suggest you do what I said erlier for a few series you like (evangelion, hellsing, FLCL, all swimming in crap characters with one reedeming character in each show.) And the animation was all but crappy, they did it to mimic older manga's and the CGI was also good. there are plenty of aniems with crapier animation than Metropolis (I like escaflowne, but the animation was utter crap.)

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 4:36 pm

I like escaflowne, but the animation was utter crap.

I don't really wanna get in the other argument, but from a financial and technical standpoint, the Vision of Escaflowne is one of the highest production values for a TV series ever. I believe Macross Plus was the highest until Escaflowne and then (and I think still is) Cowboy Bebop. Funny that all were the same production team too. I guess I sort of see your point since the noses are drawn strangely, but the overall animation like quality, colors and smoothness is some of the best (IMHO).

It's been said that Escaflowne and Cowboy Bebop has nearly OVA or Movie quality animation (at the time, 1996 and 1998 respectively). For those of you who don't know, movies and OVAs generally get more money (and have less time that they need to animate: 2 hours vs. 13 hours for 26 episode series) and therefore the animation is astounding. However, Escaflowne and Cowboy Bebop were given a larger budget (than most TV series) and I think it shows. Then agian, this doesn't really pertain to the argument, but I thought I'd point it out since I love Escaflowne's art and animation.

UncleMilo · Post by **UncleMilo** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 4:59 pm

[quote="Dannywilson"]If I wanted to draw my own conclusions about an apocalypse and the book of Revelation, I would watch Donnie Darko.[quote]

EVA isn't based on the Book of Revelation. All the religious references in the surface story of EVA is taken from the Khaballa. However, under the surface story is the actual story of EVA, which is about the search for identity and self value.

-Uncle Milo

Alucard_FoN · Post by **Alucard_FoN** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:01 pm

CaTaClYsM wrote:please, it was a two hour movie, not a 26 ep series, before you come down on metropolis for pointless filler I suggest you give anoyther good hard look at a few other series you like *COUGH*CHOBITS*COUGH*

I'm not griping about pointless filler. I have no problem with pointless filler as long as it's entertaining. And about Chobits... what you call pointless filler, I call character development.

CaTaClYsM wrote:and if you want to gripe about bad characters I suggest you do what I said erlier for a few series you like (evangelion, hellsing, FLCL, all swimming in crap characters with one reedeming character in each show.)

That's your opinion. I happen to think Hellsing and FLCL both had plenty of good characters, not just one.

CaTaClYsM wrote:And the animation was all but crappy, they did it to mimic older manga's and the CGI was also good.

I have news for them. The reason people don't use that style of animation anymore is because it sucks compared to today's animation. They're trying to sell off an 8 Track in a world of CD's on the basis that "it's different."

CaTaClYsM wrote:I like escaflowne, but the animation was utter crap./quote]

I won't argue that. I don't care for the animation of Escaflowne myself.

UncleMilo · Post by **UncleMilo** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:05 pm

KLin wrote:Mm, I feel Stardust Memories had it's moments though.

*spoilers ahead*

I felt it was very emotional and sad that Kou had to kill Kelly after working closely with him to rebuild the Zeon suit. Gundam Seed sort of takes that page out of Stardust Memories with Kira and Andrew. Lieutenant Burning's death was very dramatic too, although you could see it coming what with all the foreshadowing they did. That's got to be one of the most upsetting anime deaths I've seen, to die from an unnoticed mobile suit failure while coming back to base 'victorious.' I cried the first couple times I saw it and always feel a little choked up when I watch it again. Maybe it's true that Stardust Memories' main characters weren't that great, but a few of the secondary characters stood out, like Burning, Captain Synapus, and Cima Garahou.

I really love Stardust memories and South Burning was one of my favorite characters in that show... and Cima is too damn cool...

Kou is a weak character in comparison, but his character is weak. The problem with Kou is that he thinks like most people... where he is fighting for his "side" and that the other "side" is bad... and he just can't see all the inner workings of the politics behind what's happening. He sees things in simple blacks and whites and just can't grasp the greys... which is why he has no chance as a "hero"... because he is fighting for the ideals of a hero that really have no bearing on the realities around him.

Gundam 0083 is one of the best Gundam titles that I have seen.

Thumbs up to you KLIN!

-Uncle Milo

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:08 pm

So let me get this strait, you like Rie, Asuka, Shinji? I remembery ou telling me different.
And as far as hellsing is concerned, You yourself have alexander and cannot let a day go by without griping aobut him, and I am not all that fond of integral or Celec Victoria. And FLCL is full of crap characters. Ta is nothing but a TOOL, his dad is a perverted retard. His grandpa is exactly the same, (but a bit more senile.) And I wont even go into the women in his life. (at least the crazy ones.)

Alucard_FoN · Post by **Alucard_FoN** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:13 pm

CaTaClYsM wrote:So let me get this strait, you like Rie, Asuka, Shinji? I remembery ou telling me different.
And as far as hellsing is concerned, You yourself have alexander and cannot let a day go by without griping aobut him, and I am not all that fond of integral or Celec Victoria. And FLCL is full of crap characters. Ta is nothing but a TOOL, his dad is a perverted retard. His grandpa is exactly the same, (but a bit more senile.) And I wont even go into the women in his life. (at least the crazy ones.)

I didn't mention Eva in my last response. A few of the more main characters in that show are crappy. The best characters are Misato, Kaoru, and Kaji. And I don't recall ever saying I didn't like Anderson. I recall saying Alucard is better lots of times, because he is. And I like both Integral and Celes. As far as FLCL goes, Haruko rules, Ta's 2 freinds are funny as hell, and Ta himself isn't that bad. Also Amarao is funny. And Canti. The only character I don't like is Mamimi. All the rest I either like or am indifferent to.

Meksikanfude · Post by **Meksikanfude** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:16 pm

I thought Alucard was a pretty good character. I mean, alot of people say the series took a wrong turn, but I liked it. Specially the dub version cause it had english voice actors. I don't remember where I read this, but Evangelion had gotten awards for best characters for Misato and Rei. Metropolis was just a 2 hour dragged on movie. It really didn't have much to offer. The overall mood of the story just put me to sleep. I tried watching it two more times, and the last time I finished it, very disapointed with it. It doesn't have to have violence and nudity to be enjoyable. My friends hated Grave of the Fireflies, but I loved the characters.
I just finished watching Chobits this morning, and it was pretty enjoyable (aside from the two recap episodes). In a 500,00 to the tenth power episode series like DBZ, you can complain bout fillers, but in a 26 episode one, the "fillers" are for character development. That's one of the great things in anime, watching the characters go through conflicts, learn from them, and grow up.
You should too, cataciysm

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:24 pm

What some call 'character development' I call, wasting time due ot serious LACK OF PLOT.

Meksikanfude · Post by **Meksikanfude** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:46 pm

CaTaClYsM wrote:What some call 'character development' I call, wasting time due ot serious LACK OF PLOT.

In that case, almot every single episode based anime out there lacks plot, right?