Evangelion Prequel and other eva stuff

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Post by dwchang » Thu Mar 06, 2003 5:33 pm

It was shinji, being inside unit 01, who ultimately decided that he didnt want instrumentality and caused the entire thing to fall apart (as fuyutsuki and keel make clear, instrumentality relies on shinji as the person piloting unit 01). After that people are given the chance to reform their bodies. Theres no indication that shinji specifically chose (or wanted, after all he does try to strangle her :\) asuka to be there, but it's quite possible she was able to form herself again. Like jeb said maybe other people already were doing the same thing in other parts of the world. Also, someone once brought up the point that the earth was now destroyed. Not necessarily the place where asuka and shinji wake up is obviously destroyed because of all the explosions and shit that went on before 3rd impact itself began. Theres no real indication that the otherwise normal parts of the earth werent just as they always were.
Well, that was my 2nd suggestion...I'm not positive myself, but those are the two that I keep hearing. Although along the "Shinji -> God" theme.

I have read a theory about how Eva is really about Shinji's path toward becoming a God/Instrumentality. Throughout the show, the Sephiroth (the symbol in the intro, on NERV's floor, the symbol the Eva mass production series makes, etc.) is basically the X circles to becoming a God. They are qualities that God posseses like Wisom, Mercy, etc. Throughout the show Shinji goes through these and succeeds. The only one I can definitely remember is the episode with Toji where he doesn't want to fight his friend or..kill him. Not to say that I agree, but you can't deny the usage of the Sephiroth multiple times and that ultimately Shinji makes a decision for mankind. Now the Asuka part, like I said, is up to interpretation. I'm just listing the two that I *may* subscribe to.

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Post by dwchang » Thu Mar 06, 2003 5:36 pm

AtomicWeezleman wrote:well, as interesting as it is to talk about everyones theory on the end of evagelion, no one can ever say they are correct, except from Anno, but i doubt he'll tell us anytime soon. Maybe hell let on when hes on his death bed who knows???

Another question Dwchang, what are GEndo's last words to Ritsuko, you know right before he shoots her

Gendo 'The truth is..............' <bang>
Absolutely! For all we know Eva could (and probably is) Hideki Anno dealing with his frustrations and depression in life. It is a known fact that he had problems with his father and drug problems (that could *easily* explain a lot of the imagery in Eva). However, I find it still interesting in itself to discuss it with fellow fans like yourself. It's interesting to see the different things Eva does for people (other than the blatant "it's F'ed up").

As for the last words, as people said above, he says "I really did love you" or something to that extent. Now I'm sure all of you agree that the animation isn't exact enough to mouth things like "kimi wo aishiteru" or something. Those mouth movements would be quite evident as opposed to just his mouth going up and down (which it is to an extent).

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Post by RadicalEd0 » Thu Mar 06, 2003 5:43 pm

the sephirothic system
you see that alot in my line of work :|
maybe I'll delve into it when I get back later on
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Post by Jiima » Thu Mar 06, 2003 7:25 pm

Now, correct me if I'm wrong but the Sephirothic system is part of the Kabbalah as well isn't it?
AtomicWeezleman wrote:i actualy heard thta 'load of crap' on the DVD, director comentary, if you think about it, who are the three closes souls to Shinji???
On the US released DVD? Because, if my memory serves correctly that wasn't Anno. That was the guy that headed the project to release the film in the US. Along with the voice actor for Rei who was also in charge of their transation team I believe. I listened to that same commentary, and had an issue with the way they did the end. While, they did a good job translating Asuka's last line, I still... I don't really know... from all the translations I've heard of her final words... I get the feeling that they could have done a better job. Anyone else with comments on that?

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Post by dwchang » Thu Mar 06, 2003 11:10 pm

get the feeling that they could have done a better job. Anyone else with comments on that?
(sarcasm)A dub that could do a better job? <i>No way!</i> I mean they're always <b>so</b> good and accurate to the Japanese.(/sarcasm)

As you can see, I don't like dubs and if you want you could call me a purist or elitist :-P. Then again, I guess as long you're watching anime, it's all good.

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Post by UncleMilo » Fri Mar 07, 2003 3:48 am

AtomicWeezleman wrote:well, as interesting as it is to talk about everyones theory on the end of evagelion, no one can ever say they are correct, except from Anno, but i doubt he'll tell us anytime soon. Maybe hell let on when hes on his death bed who knows???
Actually... you're wrong.

If you ever talked to someone who studied the Khaballa, you would see that some of the items in Evangelion that SEEM confusing are very well researched by the writers.

The EVAs are designed to look the way they do for a reason
The ANGELS are designed to look the way they do for a reason
Some of the devices, objects, symbols and what not are all references to charts, diagrams and information from studies of the Khaballa.

A friend of mine has a book where he showed me where some of these things come from.

People who don't know where the references come from can guess and question and debate... but if you KNOW the references, then you can see that Evangelion isn't so confusing as you think.

However, this is only true for SOME of Evangelion.

The story of NERV vs. the ANGELS is heavily based on the Khaballa...
but the true story of Evangelion, which is the story of Shinji, is much more philisophical and psychological.

Some of the points Shinji makes are taken from these subjects.

For example - there is one scene where Shinji is talking with "himself" and the conversation they have is nothing more than a discussion of a theory known as the JoHarri Window (I hope I spelled that right) and I recognized it from my own classes in college.

Then some of it seems to deal with Anno's own quest for answers about life and identity and so on... and that is where things can be hazy...

but there is a lot in that show that is very defensible just by paying attention to things that are said and done over the course of the show.

As soon as you say "it could mean anything" that's when you stop thinking.

Trust me... some of the answers are really out there in books.


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Post by AtomicWeezleman » Fri Mar 07, 2003 4:49 am

lets get back to the eyes, if it is ther light tinted asuka's eyes, then how come the bandages aren't tinted, shinji's shirt isn't tinted????

actualy, i never said i was confused, the original design for the evas is noted in the first manga, it was to symbolise massive power restrained

As for the U.S release of the DVD, your quite right, it wasn't Anno, in fact it was Jason Lee (producer/director) and Amanda Lee (voice of Rei, Script editor/writer) and i forget the other guys name (did one of the Seele's voices)
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Post by Corran » Fri Mar 07, 2003 5:00 am

AtomicWeezleman wrote:lets get back to the eyes, if it is ther light tinted asuka's eyes, then how come the bandages aren't tinted, shinji's shirt isn't tinted????

actualy, i never said i was confused, the original design for the evas is noted in the first manga, it was to symbolise massive power restrained

As for the U.S release of the DVD, your quite right, it wasn't Anno, in fact it was Jason Lee (producer/director) and Amanda Lee (voice of Rei, Script editor/writer) and i forget the other guys name (did one of the Seele's voices)
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Post by TheRealNeoHentaiMaster » Fri Mar 07, 2003 7:40 am

Even though im not really into Eva, apparently im the only one who figured this out. Gendos last words to Ritsuko were "your mother always loved me more" or something like that. How do I know this? Well, think about it. What happened right before he said that. The one maji, Casper I think it was, betrayed Ritsuko and stopped the whole place from exploding. And Casper was her "mother has woman". Meaning, that was the part of her that loved Gendo. Gendo saying he loved Ritsuko makes no sense, especially in the context of the whole scene.

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Post by dwchang » Fri Mar 07, 2003 10:35 am

Uncle Milo brings up some more points I forgot to mention:
The ANGELS are designed to look the way they do for a reason
I believe in one of the episodes, they show the names of the Angels fought and some of them are interesting like Ramiel, Sachiel, etc. I believe even one of them is another name for Satan/Lucifer/Devil. I also believe some of these are referred to in revelations (at least in physical form). Regardless, Anno did his research.
Actually... you're wrong.
Well, although I see your points and agree (hell we've discussed this earlier :-P), I think the deepests parts of Evangelion are still within Anno's mind. I do *wholeheartedly* agree with your points about Eva being about Shinji's own journey and discoveries (which of course are our own). Now I of course think this is the main point of Eva, especially given the circumstances in Anno's own life, but until he fesses up, I don't think anyone can truly say they are "right" or "wrong." Don't get me wrong though, I agree with most of the things you've said as I'm sure you remember through our e-mails :-P

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