[/Live Action Eva] and in a horrible shrill "NO!"

[dwchang]

Actually, It's more along the lines of this: "The RCB explicitly states that Rei lacks emotions. The ACTUAL FUCKING SHOW very clearly shows her expressing a variety of emotions, albeit not very often. Ergo, The RCB contains information that just plain condradicts the series. Also, the April 2003 issue of Newtype Magazine contains interviews with people who worked on the show, many of whom freely admitted that they did not even see the entire series. Given the choice between the two, I'd sooner believe the actual events of the actual show than a book written by people who might not have seen the whole series."

And FYI, although Rei is my favorite character, I don't think of her as the most important one. Shinji is the primary character, Misato is secondary, Rei is tertiary, and Asuka is quaternary. Don't pretend to know what other people think. It only makes you look like you have to insult other people because you don't have enough info to defend yourself.

Well y'see as I (and I'm sure Metro) have stated, the RCB should be viewed IN CONJUNCTION with the show. I do (surprisingly) agree that the show is obviously the thing that means more and has the "answers." The RCB is just a supplement that helps people with some of the more complex things. Even if you disagree with one definition, you must admit that there is some good stuff in there that is explained real well.

As for the "insult' part...I did state in my rebutall that I was being harsh, but at the same time I (as well as others who have stated this) am getting a big sick of your retorts when the main substance behind it is that it disagrees with your (quite high) view of Ayanami Rei.

Now I will admit she's cool, but the statements you've made to others have at times been quite insulting since they don't agree and thus my reply with the same degree of harshness. Again, I'm not the only one who has stated publically that it's getting kind of old and that you're pissing some ppl off. Then again, it is a free world and you are free to do that, I am just stating what I see and what I feel. Sorry if it came across *too* harshly, but I did state that in the beginning (not that that really means I'm "allowed' to though).

As for the other part, I think Metro provided a sufficient retort...

[Daio Kaji]

first of all , I was making a joke at the expense of you wasting your life over-analyzing something that is essentially ...... a cartoon.

second of all , just to let you in on a little secret, Epsiodes 25 and 26 sucked worse than pokemon. They were a feeble attempt to rationalize the whole series by confusing and boring the hell out of the viewer . A complete waste of time, in my book.
I probably would have hated the series if it ended w/25and 26 ..... thank God for EOE.

...[shakes head] that's sad, episodes 25 and 26 were some of the best episodes in the series, they did a fantastic job of rationalizing of what the series is really about and they should not have bored you at all
these were the episodes where i turned off all the lights and put the volume up loud so that i could hear shinji's heartbeat [of course a slight exaggeration but you get the picture, those episodes were important]

and fyi episodes 25 and 26 were the same exact thing as EoE except that one was an internal perspective and the other was an external perspective, in my book they are compliments, i had free time and decided that episodes 25 and 26 started about the time that shinji was turned into the tree of life (essentially god) and then the episodes ended when shinji (in EoE) broke through the glass (symbolic, not actual) and all the souls burst out of Giant Rei's neck, then EoE took over again.

I read books when I want philosophy, deep stories, or thoughtful entertainment. For me, tv/anime/movies are just mindless fun. I love a good story in the anime I watch, but when it gets more complex than, say, the Patlabor movies or your standard drama, it pretty much turns me off and I go look for something else, cuz' that's not what I enjoy. For me, I got hooked after the first few episodes of EVA because my main interest was "what the heck were the EVA units?". Half way through it just seemed to start meandering and once I got lost that was it. Hated the show ever since.

...also sad, philosophy and deep thought should not begin and stop at books, it should be found anywhere and everywhere, the fact that some tv series have deep thought like evangelion proves that intelligence and creativity go together. it is possible to make an intelligent tv series and it should be that way. it takes all kinds of people to make this world, some of us are visual learners, some of us prefer to read. if you want to read eva, i suggest the mangas because i doubt there is a book that goes through the series...in all honesty, i don't think a book could do this series justice, at least it would take a very talented author, but for your sake Cole, i hope someone good does make a book out of eva, i think u'd like it if you gave it a chance (and btw, don't think of it as giving it another chance, think of it as just watching the series for the whatever time, just watch and absorb, it's all you have to do)

[the Black Monarch]

I (as well as others who have stated this) am getting a big sick of your retorts when the main substance behind it is that it disagrees with your (quite high) view of Ayanami Rei.

First of all, it doesn't just disagree with my view of her, it disagrees with actual factual events that happened. Second, I only harp on that because it's the only one that I remember. I had a list somewhere...

[dwchang]

...[shakes head] that's sad, episodes 25 and 26 were some of the best episodes in the series, they did a fantastic job of rationalizing of what the series is really about and they should not have bored you at all
these were the episodes where i turned off all the lights and put the volume up loud so that i could hear shinji's heartbeat [of course a slight exaggeration but you get the picture, those episodes were important]

I couldn't agree more. I am in the minority that actually likes these emotions. Say what you want about the budget, but the heart of Evangelion is here even if it looks cheap. It's raw emotion...well sort of. It's all about the introspective part of Shinji and welll...that is the core of it all as you stated.

I mean as you said...bore ppl? Hardly...as I said earlier, the story is just a vehicle pretty much to get to this point.

and fyi episodes 25 and 26 were the same exact thing as EoE except that one was an internal perspective and the other was an external perspective, in my book they are compliments, i had free time and decided that episodes 25 and 26 started about the time that shinji was turned into the tree of life (essentially god) and then the episodes ended when shinji (in EoE) broke through the glass (symbolic, not actual) and all the souls burst out of Giant Rei's neck, then EoE took over again.

You'd be 100% correct on this and even the exact timeline of it. Basically the fans complained about not knowing HOW things came about and thus the movie which added the 'beginning' and 'end.' In all honesty though, all of these things are at least said (it says Third Impact has occured) or implied (we see Misato and Ritsuko's bodies...dead) and therefore the episodes don't 'waste' time on that and go right into the meat of it.

As you said the glass breaking is literally when Shinji decides to live his life on earth and have an AT field regardless of the pain and like you said...that's when Rei's neck bursts open letting all the souls out.

One thing I do wanna add is that it is a pretty good rumor that Anno's TRUE ending IS the TV ending with the lack of story and just emotion. (This is fact) he then got death-threats from people (which are flashed in the movie) and was forced to make a movie. The reason it's so f'ed up, it's been said, is because he's just giving us a big "FUCK YOU" for rejecting his work. I mean he DOES explain things but he also adds more in terms of disturbing imagery and so on.

...also sad, philosophy and deep thought should not begin and stop at books, it should be found anywhere and everywhere, the fact that some tv series have deep thought like evangelion proves that intelligence and creativity go together. it is possible to make an intelligent tv series and it should be that way. it takes all kinds of people to make this world, some of us are visual learners, some of us prefer to read. if you want to read eva, i suggest the mangas because i doubt there is a book that goes through the series...in all honesty, i don't think a book could do this series justice, at least it would take a very talented author, but for your sake Cole, i hope someone good does make a book out of eva, i think u'd like it if you gave it a chance (and btw, don't think of it as giving it another chance, think of it as just watching the series for the whatever time, just watch and absorb, it's all you have to do)

Once again I agree. Cole, don't limit yourself to books and whatnot for meaning. I know they're JUST cartoons, but at the same time, anime can be serious too and deal with real things that can mean something. Hell the saddest movie I've ever seen is "Grave of the Fireflies" which is an anime and just deals with the harsh realities of war.

You should reconsider this (in my opinion) narrow view of anime.

I do however, wanna state that it is YOUR life and if you don't want to and just wanna see it this way...by all means...I am just saying you re-consider...don't wanna make it seem like a "I'm right, you're wrong" situation.

[dwchang]

I (as well as others who have stated this) am getting a big sick of your retorts when the main substance behind it is that it disagrees with your (quite high) view of Ayanami Rei.

First of all, it doesn't just disagree with my view of her, it disagrees with actual factual events that happened. Second, I only harp on that because it's the only one that I remember. I had a list somewhere...

Again it doesn't...look at Metro's post..."appears"...that means AT FIRST we think...but obviously something else happens...none of us are saying that she doesn't have any emotions...we are saying that she APPEARS to...I will be the second (since you'll be first ) to admit that she displays emotions a number of times and is a very deep and cool character. I am only annoyed by the narrow viewpoint and insults that come afterwards.

BTW I am in NO way trying to be confrontational in that statement above...only (hopefully) helpful.

[the Black Monarch]

I appreciate your pseudo-apology, but this "narrow viewpoint and insults" bull is getting to annoy me. Everything that I say is either as logical and factual as it can be, or is a joke and not to be taken literally, i.e., "You like DBZ, so your opinion on everything doesn't count"

[dwchang]

I appreciate your pseudo-apology, but this "narrow viewpoint and insults" bull is getting to annoy me. Everything that I say is either as logical and factual as it can be, or is a joke and not to be taken literally, i.e., "You like DBZ, so your opinion on everything doesn't count"

Alright...SORRY

No, I know when you mean a joke b/c u put or something after it, but you have a number of times gone in a circle and not acknowledged the others viewpoint at all and used the same rebuttal...and at times (although a bit more rare) you just downright say that they're wrong since they believe X and whatnot...

Either way...again...this is just advice and me stating my observations and that of others....if anything I hope it helps...and sorry if THIS too comes across badly.

[Cole]

Kaji, dwchang,

I can understand what you're saying, but I doubt my tastes will change. Reading has always been more enjoyable for me than visual entertainment. I don't consider anime as "just cartoons", but by the same token, I don't consider tv shows of any kind to be as enthralling as a good book (not just fictional stuff, but biographies, histories, commentaries, etc.) Granted, I watch more anime these days than I read books. But I could never delve into the psychological aspect of an anime like EVA. Maybe that's too bad, but since I'm not exactly losing something I used to have, I don't mind in the least. I'm content with the likes of Rahxephon and Full Metal Panic.

[dwchang]

Kaji, dwchang,

I can understand what you're saying, but I doubt my tastes will change. Reading has always been more enjoyable for me than visual entertainment. I don't consider anime as "just cartoons", but by the same token, I don't consider tv shows of any kind to be as enthralling as a good book (not just fictional stuff, but biographies, histories, commentaries, etc.) Granted, I watch more anime these days than I read books. But I could never delve into the psychological aspect of an anime like EVA. Maybe that's too bad, but since I'm not exactly losing something I used to have, I don't mind in the least. I'm content with the likes of Rahxephon and Full Metal Panic.

Well since you were never disrespectful about it...all we can do is respect your wishes and vice versa. I don't wanna get in a "I'm right, you're wrong" mentality. There is no "right" per se. If we both enjoy it for different reasons...so be it . Live and let live...

[the Black Monarch]

but you have a number of times gone in a circle and not acknowledged the others viewpoint at all and used the same rebuttal

No I haven't. You're wrong