Evangelion Prequel and other eva stuff

RadicalEd0 · Post by **RadicalEd0** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 3:36 pm

Adam, Lillith, Sachiel, Shamshel, Ramiel, Gaghiel, Israfel, Sandalphon, Matariel, Sahaquiel, Iruel, Leliel, Bardiel, Zeruel, Arael, Armisael, Tabris.

Damn I'm good, that was all from memory. None of them are related to Lux or Lucifer which becomes "satan". John's revelation has no effect that I'm aware of on Eva.

Jebadia · Post by **Jebadia** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 3:42 pm

http://westwood.fortunecity.com/vivienn ... ngels.html

This link may help in explaining the angels and their names.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 3:51 pm

Nice link!

John's revelation has no effect that I'm aware of on Eva.

No, not to say that Revelations has a bearing on Eva, but I *think* some of the Angels in Revelations (quite a few) have similar physical characteristics of those in Eva. Sorry if I confused you.

Daniel ^_^
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Jiima · Post by **Jiima** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 4:25 pm

I DO know that the Seraphim's from Revelations are covered with millions of eyes. While they're not technically angels, have you noticed the massive number of eyes depicted in Evangelion... Several of the angels have them, the symbol for the Marduk institute, etc.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 7:32 pm

Speaking of Marduk, what relation does he have to the religious inspirations and whatnot in Eva? Especially since he was a Babylonian/Sumerian god, not a Judeo-Christian one.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 7:33 pm

Jiima wrote:have you noticed the massive number of eyes depicted in Evangelion... Several of the angels have them, the symbol for the Marduk institute, etc.

As an addenum, Marduk apparently had two heads (and four eyes).

Daio Kaji · Post by **Daio Kaji** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:43 pm

my god i luv forums

, take a while to read (especially this one) but it's always worth it
about the final scene in EoE, i think we all know why shinji was there (he obviously chose against instrumentality)
i'm sure everyone else was there too, just probably wherever they were when instrumentality began.
Asuka was next to Shinji because she was already outside, it would kinda suk and not make any sense to put her in the ocean, so she had to go on the beach.
Rei i think no longer existed because she had served her purpose in her (artificial) life and plus she became one with Lillith in order to help 'ikari' shinji. so that was in my opinion her sacrifice, second in fact, towards her son, whether she knows it or not.
everyone else was probably within the ruins of Nerv HQ

another possibility is another one that's already been discussed here, and that is that shinji was not the only one that was given the choice of man's evolution. the ocean of what looked to be LCL could have been the ppl that either choice to accept instrumentality, possibly for reasons similar to Gendo's, or the undecided group. but the ocean of lcl could have just been the regular ocean reflecting the tint of the moon

btw1- No one has responded to the question of wat asuka's final words in Eoe meant

btw2- Who killed me (in case u don't know wat i'm talkin about, ready my name and igore the 'II') i wanna hear reasons if it's not too much trouble, or possibly a url that gives reasons for ur decision

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AtomicWeezleman · Post by **AtomicWeezleman** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 6:52 am

just a theory, since everyone was part of instrumentality, all people were combined (like you see in shinji's case), she could be reffering to her revulsion of being "one" with everyone else.

As to kaji death, one theory i heard was that it was Gendo, (having finaly lived out his purpose, Gendo had no further use for him) But hey, its just a theory

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 11:53 am

btw1- No one has responded to the question of wat asuka's final words in Eoe meant

I've heard various theories on this, the one that I find the funniest is that
Asuka saying "Kimochi warui" (I feel sick/bad/whatever) is really the director Hideaki Anno speaking. As we have already established in this thread, Anno was more or less forced to make Eva since the fans were sending death threats because of the TV ending. He made a sensational movie, used tons of money, etc. etc. and in the end that statement is his feeling of the entire thing. Wouldn't you feel the same if people rejected your ending? In any case, it's just a theory...but it's funny.

btw2- Who killed me (in case u don't know wat i'm talkin about, ready my name and igore the 'II') i wanna hear reasons if it's not too much trouble, or possibly a url that gives reasons for ur decision
just a theory, since everyone was part of instrumentality, all people were combined (like you see in shinji's case), she could be reffering to her revulsion of being "one" with everyone else.
I know this is gonna sound real "high & mighty" (and I don't mean to), but I honestly kind of get sick of this question. Not because of the answer (although when people say Misato, I am baffled), but because of the relevance. Think about it, does it really matter who killed Kaji? Does it change the story at all? I think the reason the person is faceless is because...Anno didn't care.

Kaji knew he was going to die after revealing all of that and hence the line "Oh you're late." Not necessarily to imply that he knew the person, but that he knew was going to die soon. My logical guess is that it was a random NERV operative, there are tons of those that do that exact thing.

Regardless, I got off-topic (and answered the question heh ). The point is that, IMHO, this isn't something to really think HARD on since it's not relevant to the story. Someone killed Kaji, he knew it was going to happen, the end. If you knew it was Gendo or a random NERV operative, it doesn't change the overall story of Eva does it? Eva is about people and our interactions with each other. Something like this is very trivial in the big picture ne? In any case, sorry to get so "confrontational." I didn't mean to and this *is* a forum so you're free to ask

i'm sure everyone else was there too, just probably wherever they were when instrumentality began.
Asuka was next to Shinji because she was already outside, it would kinda suk and not make any sense to put her in the ocean, so she had to go on the beach.

I don't agree. I think everyone has the possibility of coming back. They all are going through the same soul-searching that Shinji was doing (ala Episode 26 and EoE). They explicitely say that everyone on earth is going through instrumentality, but they don't have enough time. Shinji was the first one back since well...we see the story through his eyes.

Now as stated earlier, everyone has the choice to come back (and it's nice to think everyone would), but think about it...would everyone? Would you? You're living in your ideal world, regardless of if it's phony or not, you're happy right? I'd like to think I'd have enough willpower to come back to reality, but it's not an easy choice. "Heaven" or a reality where I can be hurt by others. I might also add that in the last few shots, the ocean is red. This implies there is LCL (us in our liquid, non-AT field form). To me, this means that people are still in the gooey "one-ness."

Therefore, although your statement isn't entirely false, it also isn't entirely true. We don't know what happened to everyone else and that's the ideal ending to something like that to me. Anno leaves the possibility of hope for each person, but we the viewer decide how it ends. My guess is that he did this on purpose (and I appreciate it).

RadicalEd0 · Post by **RadicalEd0** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 4:34 pm

nobody said that everyone else had the choice to remain in the perfect instrumentality world, all that was said at the end was that people could form themselves again. Instrumentality exploded, it broke down. If some random guy decided he didnt want instrumentality it woudnt have changed a thing. It's because shinji was inside unit 01, at the head of it all.
I dunno exactly where everyone 'went' after instrumentality fell apart, but it seems to be some suspended state. As for the sea its debatable if it is just the color of the surroundings or what (besides, LCL is orange not red). The sea that rei and shinji talk in first seems to be inside the black moon, since they're situated in between earth, the moon, and the sun and that is where the other souls are (although shinjis should technically be inside the big rei). But then they're seen inside a normal blue earth-like ocean, and eventually shinji in physical form comes out of the red colored sea (or does he? the proportions seem off in that scene, the rei-head should be as big as japan itself).

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