Relationships and Age Differences

[Rorschach]

Oh yeah, one addendum: when I mentioned "the last century," I meant the 19th century. I'm still dealing with the fact that being in the 21st century now means the "turn of the century" is in 2000 instead of 1900.

Strong women, those feminists... and if they were alive today, they'd be taking up arms against their wayward modern sisters.

[madbunny]

Are you trolling on purpose, or just being an ass?

Sure, feminists have been around for a long time, but the modern "women's lib" movement only really got going in the 1960s. (And yes, that was a couple decades before I was born. So what? For that matter, are you some middle-aged hippie and would it make any difference to this subject if you were?) The suffragettes of the last century brought us women's voting rights, fairer pay, that sort of thing. The modern women's lib movement brought us the gender wars, abortion-on-demand, man-hating stereotypes, and insane arguments over pronoun antecedents and "sexist" language. (Anybody care to give me his or her views on womyn?)

Pure and simple, do you believe that women should be given the same rights and opportunities as men? No cop out bull shit with arguing about abortion, or sexist language either.

The plain truth is, the Japanese women are freer than most women here in America: while the poor guys over there slave away at work, the women get to stay home and raise some kids, maybe make a little money at a "home job" to supplement the money they get from their husbands, and cruise around town to do some shopping. Any woman who tries to do that here gets to be the subject of hidden envy, open hatred, and prejudice. Other women tell her that she's a parasite and that unlike her, they have "real" jobs. (As if raising children isn't hard work.) Personally, I think any woman who castigates other women for pursuing happiness in their own traditional way is a bitch and parasite herself.

So what exactly is your point here? Other than that women should be happy for the opportunity to have babies on demand?
If women want to stay home and have kids, and can actually raise them in an appropriate manner, fine. If the women doesn't want to, also fine. It's her body, she can have kids if she wants to or not. If a woman wants to have a job and be independant, also fine. Whether or not American women are jealous, or hateful towards housewives is irrelevant.

Secondly, WTF does pornography have to do with this? The fact is, it doesn't objectify women... I'm sure the poor, helpless defenseless women who are getting PAID to have their pictures taken and airbrushed and processed and sold are crying buckets. I think you're confusing objectifying women and objectifying the sexual acts they portray as the same thing.

I'm not just talking about the actual pornography, but the philosophy which drives pornographers, one which is, by the way, very closely linked to the modern feminist philosophy I've just been describing. Actually, I think pornography objectifies everyone; the men just get less time on the screen. What I'm mainly talking about is how pornography reduced sex to mechanics, taught men that women are just automatic teller machines with three slots where they can deposit their sperm, and taught women that men are just a bunch of walking prongs.

You never really described any modernist feminist philosophy. You just ranted a lot. Oh, and isn't sex just mechanics? If two people care about each other, then if could be someting more, but if it is an act performed for a camera, I'd say it's mechanical. Might as well be watching a circus performance, or ice skating, except more sweat and grunting is involved.

I find it rather interesting, too, that you're accusing me of taking a feminist line that pornography "objectifies" women right after accusing me of having stepped out of a Puritan era. (By the way, wrong era, pal. The Puritans were actually rather progressive for their time. The Victorian era is probably more what you're thinking about.) So which am I? The unregenerate Victorian misogynist who treats his wife and (and several mistresses) like sperm banks, or the preachy screechy feminist who's even more obnoxious because he happens to be male?

Will you be getting to the point any day now?

You know, there might be something between the extremes... such as a guy who thinks men and women should stop beating on themselves and each other and JUST GET ALONG already.

From the invectives you spewed out here, that person does not seem to be you. Here is the thing, I don't know you. Probably never will, and if you are a Rush Limbaugh touting fool like this rant makes you sound I probably wouldn't want to either.

I fail to see how any of this even remotely follows the original concept of the thread anyway. As the question has been answered over several times and this has debased into wannabe philosophy debating womens rights and lame pedo references I'm just waiting for this to get locked anyway.

[Mroni]

--- Because an older woman couldn't see you through the cataracts, Right Cloud?

OMG LOL


That rules!



Mr Oni

[Mroni]

This is a pretty controversial conversation, ne? Although I may joke about this kind of thing, idon't necessarily support it:

if she's old enough to pee, she's old enough for me!
Old enough to bleed? Old enough to breed
If there's no grass on the lawn, roll her over and play in the mud!

Some things just strike me as utterly hillarious... though gross.


Like dead puppies.

Hey dammit if she sits on the curb and her feet touch the ground she's old enough or it's not the age its the height.


Mr Oni

[koronoru]

Hey dammit if she sits on the curb and her feet touch the ground she's old enough or it's not the age its the height.

You Must Be At Least As Tall As This Sign To Ride The Tentacle Monster.

[J-0080]

If the women doesn't want to, also fine. It's her body, she can have kids if she wants to or not.

Actually, no. While it may be her body, it isn't her body that's being killed.

[HeartbreakerByZep]

Freedom does not = good life.

Just because a lot of Japanese women get to stay at home and raise the kids while the husband is at work doesn't mean they are freer. Freedom is a far different concept, freedom is the ability to do what you want to do, hard life or not.

[madbunny]

If the women doesn't want to, also fine. It's her body, she can have kids if she wants to or not.

Actually, no. While it may be her body, it isn't her body that's being killed.

Putting aside the fact that I didn't mention abortion.
How is a woman choosing to have a kid or not some other persons choice?

If you want to debate the pros and cons of abortion, feel free to PM me and I'll be more than happy to share my thoughts on the matter.

[koronoru]

If the women doesn't want to, also fine. It's her body, she can have kids if she wants to or not.

Actually, no. While it may be her body, it isn't her body that's being killed.

Please, let's not have this discussion here. It's not that it isn't important - I myself have a very strong view on the subject - but I watch anime to escape from such things.

[Rorschach]

Are you trolling on purpose, or just being an ass?

Who's trolling? I say a few things against modern feminism, a guy jumps in to tell me I must be a Nazi misogynist space monster from Hell, and now you jump in to start your own rant against me! Practice what you preach. "Don't start none and there won't be none."

Pure and simple, do you believe that women should be given the same rights and opportunities as men? No cop out bull shit with arguing about abortion, or sexist language either.

Of course they should. That doesn't mean I have to buy into any modern feminist crap, though.

So what exactly is your point here? Other than that women should be happy for the opportunity to have babies on demand?
If women want to stay home and have kids, and can actually raise them in an appropriate manner, fine. If the women doesn't want to, also fine. It's her body, she can have kids if she wants to or not. If a woman wants to have a job and be independant, also fine. Whether or not American women are jealous, or hateful towards housewives is irrelevant.

My point is that some of the very people who preach women's empowerment are the ones trying to take women's freedoms away. Those who accuse me of being hateful are themselves hateful and vicious, as your ranting amply demonstrates.

You never really described any modernist feminist philosophy. You just ranted a lot. Oh, and isn't sex just mechanics? If two people care about each other, then if could be someting more, but if it is an act performed for a camera, I'd say it's mechanical. Might as well be watching a circus performance, or ice skating, except more sweat and grunting is involved.

You were just too blind with irrational hatred to see my description through your own ranting. And no, sex is not just mechanics, although I definitely agree that pornography is.

I find it rather interesting, too, that you're accusing me of taking a feminist line that pornography "objectifies" women right after accusing me of having stepped out of a Puritan era. (By the way, wrong era, pal. The Puritans were actually rather progressive for their time. The Victorian era is probably more what you're thinking about.) So which am I? The unregenerate Victorian misogynist who treats his wife and (and several mistresses) like sperm banks, or the preachy screechy feminist who's even more obnoxious because he happens to be male?

Will you be getting to the point any day now?

Was I talking to you in the first place? I guess you think everything in my messages is directed only at you. That's a hell of an ego you've got there, buster.

From the invectives you spewed out here, that person does not seem to be you. Here is the thing, I don't know you.

Which, surprise surprise, doesn't stop you from making some awfully presumptuous statements about me.

Probably never will, and if you are a Rush Limbaugh touting fool like this rant makes you sound I probably wouldn't want to either.

Yes, throw in a stereotype while you're at it! Must you compound your hypocrisy? Who's ranting like a maniac now?

I fail to see how any of this even remotely follows the original concept of the thread anyway. As the question has been answered over several times and this has debased into wannabe philosophy debating womens rights and lame pedo references I'm just waiting for this to get locked anyway.

Ah...! This explains everything. The reason you're ranting at me must be that you're hoping to bring on the trolls so this thread will get locked.

Fair enough. I won't answer you anymore, since your attacks, personal as they might seem, are actually just a lot of ranting so you can hear yourself rant. Next time you want to do that, though, leave me out of it.