I Still Love Dragonball Z!

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Post by kearlywi » Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:50 am

HeartbreakerByZep wrote:I don't see why someone would be so wacky that they'd think it's crap or something. It's a very well put together show.
People who think DBZ is crap are wacky?... but that would mean, and that would make me... you bastard!
SSJ_Mitsuka wrote:True, kids can understand the plot of Dragonball Z, but that doesn't make it for children either way. Kids can understand Ranma 1/2 and many other anime too, so I guess that makes them all for children eh?..-_- lol!
Whenever I start a show, I always finish it. I make just one exeption to this, if I detect that the show is a "children's anime." I didn't just realize this, it has been my motto for years. Theres a reason for this. I am 22 years old, and my maturity level has risen a lot since when I was in high school. Jokes that I thought were hilarious back then make me cringe now. If I hear less than intelligent dialogue (in an anime, or in a movie), it makes me cringe. If I see two people getting into a shouting match, I leave. When I watch DBZ, I see characters throwing fireballs at each other, which are followed by bigger fireballs (a few episodes down the road), which are followed by even bigger fireballs (etc), until Earth is gone, destroyed by a giant fireball. I see dialogue that my English professor would regard as being written on a 4th grade level. When a major character dies, they can seemingly still fight alongside the living, and can even be revived several times. If a major character dies in any other anime, it is usually cause for shock or even tears. Its not that DBZ is a bad anime, for its intended demographic I would say its quite good (especially since Toriyama is a work horse and pretty much does everything, including the script).

Does this mean people 22 and up can't enjoy DBZ? Of course not. Age has nothing to do with taste (or the maturity level of a person's taste). I am NOT implying that DBZ fans are immature. As hard as this might be to accept, many people dislike DBZ because they have outgrown it. For a lot of them, watching the series would not change (revert) their taste in anime in general and thus would fail to impress them.

I have used a lot of language (such as "revert") which might imply that your tastes are less advanced or inferior to my own. What I am intending to say is that neither viewpoint is "above" the other, rather, they are on different frequencies. If you send a broadcast using an AM frequency, recievers with FM frequencies will be unreached. It is the same way with this anime. Thats why I have some respect for DBZ. For A type person, its a GREAT anime, for B type the opposite. Saying that DBZ is the worst anime ever, and holding that statement to some universal factual level is so simplistic and base that it could never be true (and vice versa). Such statements are only true from our perspective, and hold no universal value, so when someone says:
HeartbreakerByZep wrote:DBZ rules
all they are saying is that "DBZ rules" from their perspective. It does not mean that everyone will Like DBZ, or that if someone doesnt like it, they are "wacky." :wink:

As a huge fan of love hina, I was totally unable to get one of my DBZ friends to watch the show. I mean I nagged him for weeks, and he REALLY pissed me off by not giving it more of a chance. I really felt that Love Hina was such a good show, that if anyone saw the whole thing, they would love it. After seeing one episode he said: I can tell I won't like it. This enfuriated me to no end, since even I didnt like Love Hina after one show either. But I realize now, that he was simply expressing himself as type B while I was type A, and theres really nothing wrong with that, its ok to be different. 8)

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Post by KawaiiYume4o8 » Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:57 am

I'm late on this...really late. N e hu, I'm over my whole DBZ craze. I was rather obsessed with Trunks and Vegeta a year or two ago. I even made a website called "LiL Angel O' Trunks Heaven". How fangirlish is that? :? Not that I'm ashamed, I loved those days. I've just moved on to bigger and better things. I still like to rewatch some old eps and read some fanfics sometimes. ^0^

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Post by HeartbreakerByZep » Sat Nov 22, 2003 1:22 pm

It's quite annoying when people refuse to watch more than one episode. I did, however, get my friend to watch Love Hina & he loved it. Unforunately, I cannot get this particular friend to watch Evangelion for the life of him, even though he's had the series in his grasp for longer than I can recall. I came an inch away from forcing him to watch it willingly (yes, it makes sense) but he managed to weasle out of even that.

Oh well, I think I'll go watch Dragonball Z.
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Post by Shun » Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:26 pm

kearlywi wrote:
HeartbreakerByZep wrote:I don't see why someone would be so wacky that they'd think it's crap or something. It's a very well put together show.
People who think DBZ is crap are wacky?... but that would mean, and that would make me... you bastard!
SSJ_Mitsuka wrote:True, kids can understand the plot of Dragonball Z, but that doesn't make it for children either way. Kids can understand Ranma 1/2 and many other anime too, so I guess that makes them all for children eh?..-_- lol!
Whenever I start a show, I always finish it. I make just one exeption to this, if I detect that the show is a "children's anime." I didn't just realize this, it has been my motto for years. Theres a reason for this. I am 22 years old, and my maturity level has risen a lot since when I was in high school. Jokes that I thought were hilarious back then make me cringe now. If I hear less than intelligent dialogue (in an anime, or in a movie), it makes me cringe. If I see two people getting into a shouting match, I leave. When I watch DBZ, I see characters throwing fireballs at each other, which are followed by bigger fireballs (a few episodes down the road), which are followed by even bigger fireballs (etc), until Earth is gone, destroyed by a giant fireball. I see dialogue that my English professor would regard as being written on a 4th grade level. When a major character dies, they can seemingly still fight alongside the living, and can even be revived several times. If a major character dies in any other anime, it is usually cause for shock or even tears. Its not that DBZ is a bad anime, for its intended demographic I would say its quite good (especially since Toriyama is a work horse and pretty much does everything, including the script).

Does this mean people 22 and up can't enjoy DBZ? Of course not. Age has nothing to do with taste (or the maturity level of a person's taste). I am NOT implying that DBZ fans are immature. As hard as this might be to accept, many people dislike DBZ because they have outgrown it. For a lot of them, watching the series would not change (revert) their taste in anime in general and thus would fail to impress them.

I have used a lot of language (such as "revert") which might imply that your tastes are less advanced or inferior to my own. What I am intending to say is that neither viewpoint is "above" the other, rather, they are on different frequencies. If you send a broadcast using an AM frequency, recievers with FM frequencies will be unreached. It is the same way with this anime. Thats why I have some respect for DBZ. For A type person, its a GREAT anime, for B type the opposite. Saying that DBZ is the worst anime ever, and holding that statement to some universal factual level is so simplistic and base that it could never be true (and vice versa). Such statements are only true from our perspective, and hold no universal value, so when someone says:
HeartbreakerByZep wrote:DBZ rules
all they are saying is that "DBZ rules" from their perspective. It does not mean that everyone will Like DBZ, or that if someone doesnt like it, they are "wacky." :wink:

As a huge fan of love hina, I was totally unable to get one of my DBZ friends to watch the show. I mean I nagged him for weeks, and he REALLY pissed me off by not giving it more of a chance. I really felt that Love Hina was such a good show, that if anyone saw the whole thing, they would love it. After seeing one episode he said: I can tell I won't like it. This enfuriated me to no end, since even I didnt like Love Hina after one show either. But I realize now, that he was simply expressing himself as type B while I was type A, and theres really nothing wrong with that, its ok to be different. 8)
I'm thinking thats a great way to end this thread, nicely written :)

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Post by HeartbreakerByZep » Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:32 pm

Long threads die hard ;)
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Post by SSJ_Mitsuka » Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:41 am

Well I agree with some of what you say, but not when it comes to dbz itself, i'm still going to voice my opinion here on the show, that's why I started this thread..lol.. if I can, i'm going to try to make people see that the show isn't all fighting and grunting.. (of course they never grunt in the original) Everything about the dub IS aweful and childish.. if you aren't interested.. then don't read it..
If I see two people getting into a shouting match, I leave. When I watch DBZ, I see characters throwing fireballs at each other, which are followed by bigger fireballs (a few episodes down the road), which are followed by even bigger fireballs (etc), until Earth is gone, destroyed by a giant fireball. I see dialogue that my English professor would regard as being written on a 4th grade level.
Whenever I start a show, I always finish it.
I'm 18 years old, and four years from now, Dragonball Z will still be my favorite anime. Less intelligent dialogue.. shouting match.. characters throwing fireballs at each other? (you mean ki right?) You've watched the WHOLE show through right? In it's original format.. doesn't sound like it to me.. but oh well.. whatever..
When a major character dies, they can seemingly still fight alongside the living, and can even be revived several times. If a major character dies in any other anime, it is usually cause for shock or even tears


and it's funny, I get sad even if the characters do come back..you have to put yourself in the characters position, what are they feeling? Like Vegeta's self destruction, HE didn't think he was coming back, and so decided to give Trunks his first and last hug.. it was sooooooo depressing!! Yeah he comes back, and in a way..it just makes the show that much more emotional. (to me anyway) Anyone who believes the show focuses ONLY on fighting HASN'T seen the show.. as I said, the characters themselves are the main focus, not the battles.. the fights ARE intense and emotional, but I watch it to see the characters grow and change both mentally and physically..

I believe Dragonball Z has the perfect amount of drama and comedy.. it seems real to me.. some anime are MUCH TO serious and thus boring.. and some (SOME) anime try to go MUCH TO deep and it gets depressing..again SOME.

I LOVE Dragonball Z, but i'm always up for watching new anime, and their are lots of great shows out there.. but so far, nothing has made such an impact on my heart like Dragonball Z.

Well, I guess that's all, thanks. I agree, it's all in taste.. if you don't like Dragonball Z..you don't like Dragonball Z... but I believe most reviews of the show are false.. I won't let everyone believe fighting, throwing fireballs (ki blasts) around, and screaming insults..is the extent of Dragonball's maturity.. their is so much people are missing...

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Post by Animess_Raquel » Sun Nov 23, 2003 11:04 am

I like DBZ too :D It's a good manga/anime but I've come to see parts of it as a little sexist and a little degrading. I'm not as huge a fan of it as I am anymore, but I do have a small shrine on it that I hardly ever update. :roll:

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Post by HeartbreakerByZep » Sun Nov 23, 2003 11:24 am

Geez Bejiita's self destruction.... it doesn't matter if the characters come back later on. When Bejiita asked Piccolo if he would ever come back... man... powerful stuff.
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Post by El Banana » Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:17 pm

I don't think Toriyama himself takes his creation half as seriously as some of you guys do. :?
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Post by Shun » Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:43 pm

El banana, I hear your a good artist, do you have a site with some of your works?

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