Hiei or Vegeta

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 9:15 pm

Heh, just match off Yusuke and Goku (and his kids as a cheering section for him) and we can have an uninfluenced Hiei vs Vegeta match. ^.^

As far as I can tell, Vegeta looks coolest when he's either making an entrance (saving the momentarily weak Goku) or fighting when the Sons are conveniently absent. So just get rid of them, and make sure Yusuke isn't around to snitch Vegeta as his own rival, and there's no reason Hiei and Vegeta couldn't fight at full strength without any anime cliche popping up to make one of the suddenly useless.

After all, I think if the two anime were to be drawn into a tournament (think YYH) they'd be matched off like that - Goku vs Yusuke (the stars), Vegeta vs. Hiei (the 'sometime' villains turned good guys), Trunks/Gohan vs. Kurama (depends on the dbz series - either Mirai Trunks or teenage Gohan), and Gohan/Goten/Piccolo vs. Kuwabara (kid Gohan, teenage Goten - if Gohan were fighting Kurama, or Piccolo if Mirai Trunks weren't around and Goten wasn't born yet). And in that sort of line up - there would be no need to make *anyone* weak just so the main 'stars' can look good - Yusuke and Goku could duke it out and the other matches would be separate.

Ah...imagination... ^"^

Bebop0083 · Post by **Bebop0083** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 9:20 pm

Arigatomyna wrote:Ah...imagination... ^"^

hence why i need to get my ass moving on that crossover vid of mine. i kinda figure Yusuke's demon form as a match up between either Goku's SSJ3 form or SSJ4 form. and Roshi can fight Genkai hehehe.

Daio Kaji · Post by **Daio Kaji** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 12:38 am

Bebop0083 wrote:and Roshi can fight Genkai hehehe.

DRINKING CONTEST!!!!

remember when X-men and Spider-man crossed over onto each other, and Spider-man and Wolverine duked it out? lol, god that was kule, but then again that was an american show, so it's ongoing, obviously DBZ is over, no cross-over episode can be made... dbgt is also over, so don't even try it

YYH is a complete series too isn't it?
cause if it's not, they could somehow make a DBZ-arc

have the YYH-cast think see Goku and Vegeta's tails and think they're demons, then Piccolo walks into the room and all hell breaks loose

Bote · Post by **Bote** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:42 am

Arigatomyna wrote:
bote wrote:*slaps his forehead* That theory about oxygen being necessary to light the fire was invented by cavemen!
Hm...not sure if this is a joke or a statement or even whether it's an agreement or a jab. I'll do my usual rebuttal anyway. ;p

Fire can't 'light' in the absence of oxygen. If you take a tank of gasoline (highly burnable) and stick a flamethrower inside that tank so that the gasoline surrounds it - and then try to 'light' it. The fire won't catch. For a fire you need something to burn and oxygen. It's the gasoline fumes that spark most fires, not the liquid itself (which is why those fires burn on top and not through the liquid). In a normal situation - like space, or the inside of a gasoline tank, no spark will catch (no oxygen) so it won't happen. The only explosions in space are when some burnable gases ignite - and even then they tend to implode from the pressure and burn themselves out (eating up whatever pocket of air there is until the fire can't 'live' anymore).

Why saying it simple when you can always make it sound complex, eh?

I said that cause someone mentioned that Einstein and Hoking couldn't figure that out. What bull! Einstein couldn't have made his light speed theory(not correct btw) if he didn't know the basics of termo physics constituted way back in the age of greek and romans!

another thing i like to note that when ever Vegeta is fighting an opponent he always gets smacked around by the main villian. we have alot of evidence. Saiyan saga. Goku beats him. Freeza saga. he gets killed by Freeza and beaten the crap out of. Android saga. 18 beats him. Cell saga. Cell kicks the crap out of him. Buu saga. Buu kicks his ass. Kid Buu saga. Kid Buu kicks his ass. movie 8 Broly gives ass whopin. movie 9 Bojack beats him. movie 12 Janemba beats him. movie 13 he gets bitch slaped by Hildgarn. so if Vegeta fights hes gonna lose.

What? Even if I put aside the Goku&Sons theory, that isn't making any scence. We aren't talking about a match up between someone from DBZ and Vegeta. So, if he had been beaten many times by some other characters does that necesarely mean that he'll be beaten up every other time he fights against main villains?! From that statement I get the feeling your saying Hiei is stronger than all those guys Vegeta fought. Even if he were stronger than everyone of them can you think about how much Vegeta would train till that fight (if it was sheduled in some period or so and not happening wihtout any reason)? Plus,no one knows how will a fight end. That's stupid! Abilities are important, yes, but what it counts more is the way you'll start, the way you're gonna lead it for the whole time. No one has steel balls (

nor Hiei nor Vegeta). That is if it weren't a ki shield protecting in the case of these two. There arent ANY rules when it's up to fighting and that is both in animes and real world. Ball kicking, eye pinching, bitting...it's all allowed! Goku was 5-6 times weaker than Freeza when he had bitten him for the tail and then he had a good chance to reverse the fight in his favour. Sadly, he wasn't efficient enough. How can Vegeta lose in advance? That was the same when everyone thought USA dream team's gonna beat Yugoslavia's ass in the World Basketball Championship 1/4 finals. And who won?

WE WON! A small team consisted of not so phisically skilled and advanced players as USA's, but they all showed incredibly strong will and desire to win. By the time the dream team realized they've lost everyone back home was celebrating!

Damn, forgot about David&Goliath...no comment! David was "doomed" in advance wasn't he?

OujiVegetasstalker · Post by **OujiVegetasstalker** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:23 am

Okie then, i think ill try a different approach, think of the Toguru brothers (how the hell thats spelled..lol w/e) umm the younger one of course him being the strongest during the dark tournament..okie then, ive watched enough YU YU to at least know that this guy is all about physical strength, well..okie now compare that strength to that of Vegetas and then tell me if Hiei can beat him or not..because it wasnt the lil demon who beat the Taguru(think i got it right yet?) .....

OujiVegetasstalker · Post by **OujiVegetasstalker** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:25 am

Or was it all just for promoting the main character...again.....just like sooo many other times a secondary character hands over the victory to his rival...

TheDarknessFlame · Post by **TheDarknessFlame** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:53 am

Vegeta would probably win since he can fly and incinerate planets without even trying. Don't get me wrong I think hiei's cooler and would rather him kick vegetas ass but you can't really compare anyone from yuyu to someone in dbz because their power is utterly ridiculus and basically limitless. But it was the overdone strength of the characters in dbz(as well as lack of plot or ending) that caused it to fail as an anime.

By the way new yuyu eps start soon no?

OujiVegetasstalker · Post by **OujiVegetasstalker** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 12:35 pm

Heh, ridiculus poweres eh...limitless u say, i wouldnt go that far, i would say dbz is merely on a much larger scale than that of the YU YU limitations due to the creators vast unbound ideas that admittedly do turn into many plot holes yes, but tis to be expected. And if it failed as anime, why was it such a big hit in its prime...heh but anyway if u really want a fair fight *no flying, no ridiculus stregth, no unfathomable speeds or any of that, then why not attempt to see the two as human..that is if such a narrow mind like yous can accomplish that feat with out too much difficultly

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Daio Kaji · Post by **Daio Kaji** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 1:54 pm

bote wrote:[... a lot of stuff... ]Damn, forgot about David&Goliath...no comment! David was "doomed" in advance wasn't he?

yeah, big point there with the whole Frieza analogy too, even when the odds are stacked against someone, the underdog can still come out on top in the end, just when you think you've got it all broken down and every situation thought of and prepared for... vegeta turns ssj3 and whups on Hiei

, trust me, i'd probably happen, afterall, ssj3 is a stage within dbz, so you can't say it doesn't exist... like ssj4 which is part of dbgt

now remember, i'm not saying this WILL happen, just that like bote said, we don't know cause.... well we just don't know, and that's the whole truth about it

all we've done in this topic now is pretty much just stack the odds against each character, but they always have a way out of it, so again, like it's been said before, there is no fore-seen conclusion to this vs bout, it's not clearcut, so it's left open-ended

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:04 pm

Wing 0 would PWN them with it's lazer sword!