Relationships and Age Differences

Rorschach · Post by **Rorschach** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:40 pm

HeartbreakerByZep wrote:Freedom does not = good life.

Just because a lot of Japanese women get to stay at home and raise the kids while the husband is at work doesn't mean they are freer. Freedom is a far different concept, freedom is the ability to do what you want to do, hard life or not.

Quite true: freedom doesn't automatically bring a good life. That's why our Declaration of independence talks of "the pursuit of happiness" instead of happiness itself.

If freedom is the ability to do what you want to do, then surely it is also the ability to refuse to do what you don't want to do, don't you think? In any case, a Japanese woman can also seek a career in the office or give it the go-by; either way, no one will castigate her for her decision. That's social freedom in addition to legal freedom, something I wish we had more of here.

DemonSpawn · Post by **DemonSpawn** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:39 pm

Rorschach wrote:If freedom is the ability to do what you want to do, then surely it is also the ability to refuse to do what you don't want to do, don't you think? In any case, a Japanese woman can also seek a career in the office or give it the go-by; either way, no one will castigate her for her decision. That's social freedom in addition to legal freedom, something I wish we had more of here.

Honestly, I don't know enough about the Japanese Women's Right's Movement, but from what I've heard, women over here are able to make more decisions, such as a career. I think, over in Japan, the woman is still expected to stay home and take care of the kids. The fact that they also control the finances is irrelevant.

J-0080 · Post by **J-0080** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:17 pm

koronoru wrote:
J-0080 wrote:
madbunny wrote: If the women doesn't want to, also fine. It's her body, she can have kids if she wants to or not.
Actually, no. While it may be her body, it isn't her body that's being killed.
Please, let's not have this discussion here. It's not that it isn't important - I myself have a very strong view on the subject - but I watch anime to escape from such things.

Yup, your right, no need to have multiple arguments going on that aren't even relevant to the main topic.

Rorschach wrote:
Madbunny wrote:Pure and simple, do you believe that women should be given the same rights and opportunities as men? No cop out bull shit with arguing about abortion, or sexist language either.
Of course they should. That doesn't mean I have to buy into any modern feminist crap, though.

dreamonsilverhope · Post by **dreamonsilverhope** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:12 pm

Personally, it seems a little weird, but I guess it depends on the circumstances, even if it is just anime. We each have our own ideas. If this is what makes the creator happy, as long as it's nothing TOO outrageous, then by all means, they should go for it.

Excalibur00 · Post by **Excalibur00** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:29 am

So, are we now still discussing about Love and lust or the original topic o this thread?

)v(ajin Koji · Post by **)v(ajin Koji** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:52 am

Excalibur00 wrote:So, are we now still discussing about Love and lust or the original topic o this thread?

If you read the above you might find out :¬ \

OtakuMegane · Post by **OtakuMegane** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:29 pm

Mroni wrote:Hey dammit if she sits on the curb and her feet touch the ground she's old enough or it's not the age its the height.

*bows* I am humbled by your tremendous love of youngness.

Damn I love these boards.

Rorschach · Post by **Rorschach** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:17 pm

DemonSpawn wrote: Honestly, I don't know enough about the Japanese Women's Right's Movement, but from what I've heard, women over here are able to make more decisions, such as a career. I think, over in Japan, the woman is still expected to stay home and take care of the kids. The fact that they also control the finances is irrelevant.

Well, I haven't been over to Japan lately, so I wouldn't know for sure what people "expect" of women there either, but I don't see how you can say that control of the finances is irrelevant. People who make money may (or may not) get praise and admiration for a job well done, but it's the people who spend the money who have the real power.

As for expecting the woman to stay home and raise the kids, that sounds far more reasonable than demanding that she warehouse the kids and get back to the office, as some do here in the USA. If she has kids, she has a moral duty raise them; if not, the only moral obligation she has, as we all do, is to pursue some kind of productive life.

Speaking of power, by the way, I should mention that one theory I've heard for why Japanese men are getting these creepy fetishes for young girls is that they're feeling "threatened" by mature Japanese women, and so tend to seek out "safer" (i.e. younger) girls. (See how I tie this whole thing back into the subject?

) What do you think of that?

ryuu_hime13 · Post by **ryuu_hime13** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:33 pm

Men intimidated by women. ::sigh:: Nothing new there.

Konohamaru · Post by **Konohamaru** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:29 pm

Rorschach wrote: As for expecting the woman to stay home and raise the kids, that sounds far more reasonable than demanding that she warehouse the kids and get back to the office, as some do here in the USA. If she has kids, she has a moral duty raise them; if not, the only moral obligation she has, as we all do, is to pursue some kind of productive life.

i agree with you, Rorschach. i think that women should raise children if they have them, although i don't mean it in a totally neandrethal way. however, i'm not a woman, so i don't have a real right to set any policy on this type of thing.