Worst anime ever?

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 11:13 pm

Mroni wrote:I still say Eva is the worst most barfy anime out there matched only by Utena and Neia under 7.

And I still say you're dead fucking wrong because Evangelion is the most emotionally intense work of fiction I've ever seen. But I guess some people just can't get past the surface of things.

kearlywi · Post by **kearlywi** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:14 am

Holy Crap whats up with all the hating of EVANGELION? Granted the last 2 episodes were crap... but the movie replaced them. The movie was pretty thick with symbolism and suggestion, in fact they leave about 25% of the final facts undefined (leaving it up to us to figure them out). I felt it was JUST suggestive enough to keep itself plausible. Evangelion is powerful and original. Lets not forget that it was an enormous hit that spawned lots of wanna be's. (including the quite good Escaflowne series).

Anyways, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I definitely understand those who didnt enjoy evangelion. I recommend Evangelion for those who over-analyse things (like myself).

Also to those who hated on Love Hina... Dont watch shonen romantic comedies, they werent made for you. (I thought Love Hina was funny and sweet)

As far as there being bad anime, hell yes there is bad anime, most commonly in the feature lenght film dept. Some terrible animes I've seen.
(In Order)

Sword for Truth
Ninja Ressurection
Metropolis

and to a much lesser extent:
X (movie not TV)
and Many others Movies that Ive forgotten

I would like to add that I havent seen an Anime TV series that I was particularly offended by. If I had to pick one I'd probably say DBZ only because its pacing is rediculously slow. Sword For truth is 50 times worse than dbz for the sake of comparison. 8)

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:28 am

kearlywi wrote:(including the quite good Escaflowne series).

I won't comment on the Eva hating since you guys obviously don't know how Mr. Oni is.

As for this statement, this is QUITE false. This is something a lot of people think since Escaflowne came out a month after Evangelion, but in reality it was in conception way before Evangelion.

Here is an excerpt straight from the horse's mouth (that of Kawamori):

"Fallacy: "Escaflowne is Kawamori's answer to Gainax's Evangelion."

Explanation: Escaflowne was in development for over five years before its broadcast debut in 1996 April, before Evangelion was conceived. In fact, Shoji Kawamori conceived of the early plot for Escaflowne about the same time Gainax and director Hideaki Anno were still working on [Nadia:] The Secret of Blue Water (and before the certification of Anno's depression which Anno cites as his partial inspiration for Evangelion). Escaflowne was never intended, by Kawamori at least, as a "response" to Evangelion.

Source of fallacy: Assumption based on the broadcast debut of Escaflowne in 1997 April, the month after Evangelion's end. "

Make sense? I guess I just hate it when people say that statement since it's my favorite show and I hate hearing it's just a copy.

I might also add the Escaflowne is QUITE different from Evangelion. Evangelion is a character driven and emotional show about people, their interactions and their realizations that they each have value (namely Shinji). While Escaflowne is a fantasy/romance about Fate and Love (namely Love conquering fate).

I think people look at the surface of both shows since they both mecha and automatically assume they're similar. They both use mecha as a tool to tell their story. In fact, I think you could do both without any mecha at all.

Evangelion doesn't NEED mecha to tell a story about people. You still have Shinji, Asuka, Rei, Misato, etc. and their problems and eventual triumph.

Escaflowne can still be an epic fantasy without mecha. You still have Vaughn, Allen, Hitomi, Folken, etc. and their journey through Gaea and their struggle against Zaibach.

Chaos Angel · Post by **Chaos Angel** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:23 am

dwchang wrote:Make sense? I guess I just hate it when people say that statement since it's my favorite show and I hate hearing it's just a copy.

I think you forgot the most critical piece of evidence there, Dan. It takes more than a month to make an animated anything, even just one episode. You've got concept art, backgrounds, character aniamtion, voice recording, hiring people, etc. If Escaflowne WAS copy of Eva, it've been at least a year before they aired it, not a month.

Granted, I've only seen four eps of Escaflowne, but it does strike me as being not-very-Evangeliony.

On topic with the thread: Blood the last Vampire. Don't waste your money.

AtomicWeezleman · Post by **AtomicWeezleman** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:30 am

Chaos Angel wrote:
dwchang wrote:Make sense? I guess I just hate it when people say that statement since it's my favorite show and I hate hearing it's just a copy.
I think you forgot the most critical piece of evidence there, Dan. It takes more than a month to make an animated anything, even just one episode. You've got concept art, backgrounds, character aniamtion, voice recording, hiring people, etc. If Escaflowne WAS copy of Eva, it've been at least a year before they aired it, not a month.

Granted, I've only seen four eps of Escaflowne, but it does strike me as being not-very-Evangeliony.

On topic with the thread: Blood the last Vampire. Don't waste your money.

you really cant compare the two now can you....evangelion is about the conflict of truth and lies, dreams and reality and reality, how can u say that a series that inspired so much self thought sucks???, anyhow, blood the last vampire is great, wouldnt buy it, but its still great.

sucky anime?? look no further than gundam wing..

kearlywi · Post by **kearlywi** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:57 am

Ive seen Evangelion and Escaflowne all the way thru, and when I read on several websites that Escaflowne was a cash in on Evangelion I believed it because in some ways its very believable (both are philosophical and deep with lots of character development with mecha action being in the background) Thx for clearing that up. I thought Escaflowne came on a year after Evangelion. As for the two I would really like to emphasize that they are VERY DIFFERENT animes, its just that they do resemble each other in some ways (and one did come right after the other, even if its conception was years in advance, hence the mix-up).

Of course its possible that Escaflowne was a cash in on Evangelion. Its possible it was a project on hold that was greenlighted by Evangelion's success. Of course its creator (or whoever) wont admit to cashing in, how does that make his production company look? Anyways it doesnt matter, both are exceptional animes that have no business being mentioned in this forum.

As far as a bad anime TV series, I came up with one. Reign the Conqueror. Combines a typical overly fictional and rediculous japanese script with all the hideous trimmings of Peter chungs character designs. Ive watched the first 10 episodes (cuz even reign is watchable if u get as bored as me) and Its easily noticed how every male char wears heavy upper body armor and a gay thong for his lower body armor. And by everybody i mean Everybody! Even royalty. Hell the more important a character is the gayer they look. Its || close to being Yaoi anime.

Ooo theres one. Add any Yaoi anime to the list. (Yaoi is gay porn anime/manga [shudders])

kearlywi · Post by **kearlywi** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:20 am

err I changed my mind about metropolis. Its not one of the worst movies. The movie got lost about halfway through and had a crappy ending, but I rather quite enjoyed its early half. Lets just say it was a very hyped film that let some down and pleased others.

Also plz plz plz dont dis and dismiss a series unless you have seen it entirely! I hated Love Hina (and actually stopped watching it) until episode 7 (love hina is a classic shonen romantic comedy akin to ranma 1/2). I hated Inuyasha til episode 16 (inuyasha gets really really good and has several plot twists). I really hated noir until episode 13. OMG... KANON! I would have put Kanon up here as THE SINGLE worst anime ever if I had Stopped after OVA #7 (the last 6 OVA's are powerful powerful stuff and easily redeemed the series) If there is anything we can learn from watching anime is that an anime's beginning does not necessarily forcast its future.

And for those of you named noir, jump straight to episode 13, you wont miss much from the first 12 episodes. If nothing else I found Kirika to be worth watching most of the time 8) She kills a man with his sunglasses for crying out loud!

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:34 am

kearlywi wrote:Ive seen Evangelion and Escaflowne all the way thru, and when I read on several websites that Escaflowne was a cash in on Evangelion I believed it because in some ways its very believable (both are philosophical and deep with lots of character development with mecha action being in the background) Thx for clearing that up. I thought Escaflowne came on a year after Evangelion. As for the two I would really like to emphasize that they are VERY DIFFERENT animes, its just that they do resemble each other in some ways (and one did come right after the other, even if its conception was years in advance, hence the mix-up).

Of course its possible that Escaflowne was a cash in on Evangelion. Its possible it was a project on hold that was greenlighted by Evangelion's success. Of course its creator (or whoever) wont admit to cashing in, how does that make his production company look? Anyways it doesnt matter, both are exceptional animes that have no business being mentioned in this forum.

Well I don't know about them holding a project and then greenlighting it RIGHT after Eva. You see, as Chaos said, they had to have started a lot of production work (like finished animating many episodes and voice rolls) for them to even show one episode a month later. I don't think a "non-greenlighted" show would have episodes already made or for that matter any production work done unless it was going to be shown. My guess is that they started animating and doing other things at least 6 months before Eva finished.

As for Esca and Eva coming out a year ahead of the other, that's probably because the US release was a year after Eva's release (IIRC). You gotta remember that way back then anime wasn't as big as it is now and thus shows were't licensed as quickly.

Well Escaflowne is my favorite show, but I'm willing to admit that it's nowhere near Evangelion in character development and philosophy. It has it's say about fate and conquering it, but at the same time Eva has quite a bit more to say (about different things too). Also, the characters in Escaflowne are very well-written and developed, but it's hard to beat Eva, which IMO has the best character development. Regardless though, I see your point and reason for the assumptions.

Doesn't really matter since you like both shows and they are two of my three favorite shows as well

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dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:36 am

Chaos Angel wrote:Granted, I've only seen four eps of Escaflowne, but it does strike me as being not-very-Evangeliony.

YOU WILL WATCH....NOW!!!!

I can't believe someone who went to JAC while I wa an officer hasn't seen this...I have failed

Chaos Angel · Post by **Chaos Angel** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:45 am

dwchang wrote:YOU WILL WATCH....NOW!!!!

I can't believe someone who went to JAC while I wa an officer hasn't seen this...I have failed

Forgive me, sensei, I am a horrible pupil...

^_^

Well, I DID rent disc 1 from TR while I was still in Champaign, and if I still lived there, odds are I'd've seen it all by now. But, as of currently, Esca's on the list. I'm slowly working on some smaller series at the moment, plus a few movies (HURRY UP APRIL 15TH!!).