I Still Love Dragonball Z!

[SSJ_Mitsuka]

Nailz, Nails.. whatever you say..-_- I believe you're wrong, so that's all that matters.

[Arigatomina]

That anime Ninku was also on the dvd with the YuYu movie.. that was WEIRD.. lol!

Yeah, that's the short one - it's more like an episode than anything. I only like it for a few scenes, though it is a cute intro (And you get to hear their japanese voices - it was the first one I got for this anime. Not nearly enough Kurama or Hiei footage for me. ;p ) Ninku was just weird. I'll never watch that anime again. ^_^;;

[Arigatomina]

It is not essential to continuously cut to Bulma attempting to (again, unsucessfully) radio earth for help during intense fight scenes. Did I mention it was All the time? Ok, Vegita and Frieza are FINALLY going to square off and fight after 20 minuites of "I'm more powerful than you" Bullshit. Quick, we've got 5 minuites of tape left! Cut to Bulma!

Lol. ^_^;; I love the way you said that.

But it is important a little - if she died we'd never get Trunks. That would really suck.

I care when I'm spending $60 on 3 tapes to finally see how this ends when it should have been concluded in (and I timed this once) 25 minuites. 3 tapes contain approximately 180 minuites of footage. You do the math. Frieza vs. Goku. One episode. One.

What got me was the Buu saga toward the end when Vegeta is holding Buu off and the people on earth are being stubborn. You get that cute little scene with the chibis eating corn right in the middle of Vegeta getting himself killed - talk about being helpful. >.<

If it's any consolation, I definitely see lots of unnecessary scenes in the anime. Doesn't make me dislike it as a whole, but they're there. Then again, I find unnecessary scenes in a lot of longer anime, so I take it as a given. DBZ is just so long it's riddled with them.

[SSJ_Mitsuka]

It is not essential to continuously cut to Bulma attempting to (again, unsucessfully) radio earth for help during intense fight scenes.

Looks to me like you've only seen the Freeza saga, DUBBED, no doubt.
Without Bulma there would be NO future, she created the time machine for Trunks so he could go into the past.. and without her they would have never been able to travel to Namek.. she even came up with a device to shut off the androids.. but Krillin smashed it! lol! and I believe, without her, Vegeta would never have changed.

[SSJ_Mitsuka]

Then again, I find unnecessary scenes in a lot of longer anime

I agree.

[SSJ_Mitsuka]

and Bulma only tried to radio Earth once..o.O the rest of the time she's alone.. going crazy... because she has no one to talk to.

[Kracus]

It is not essential to continuously cut to Bulma attempting to (again, unsucessfully) radio earth for help during intense fight scenes.

What? The radio broke, she fixed it then it either went out again or the fighting messed it up again. I can't remember what happened exactly cause I haven't watched in a while.

[nailz]

But it is important a little - if she died we'd never get Trunks. That would really suck.

That still doesn't give me any type of reason she got so much screen time, no matter WHAT she was doing. She was not essential to the fight. At all. I would have gladly accepted she was out of the way, in some cave, cowering in fear during the fight and would have tollerated a cut scene to show gohan rescuing her.

Ok.. how about Chi Chi on earth? OMG I'M GOING TO NAMEK WITH A ROCKET LAUNCHER!!!

[Arigatomina]

Ok.. how about Chi Chi on earth? OMG I'M GOING TO NAMEK WITH A ROCKET LAUNCHER!!!

Heh, I took that as a tension breaker. It's getting tense so you break to one of the females - in that case the insanely over-protective 'mother' showing what an idjit she is. ^_^;; I think that was the point of the chibi scene I mentioned as well (and the shot of Seventeen in that same section) - if it gets too serious they break off for some random 'heh' scene. I haven't seen it in a while, but didn't they break to Bulma and the frogs in the middle of Vegeta's last scene with Frieza on Namek?

I don't really like it in dbz, but I noticed that habit in YYH - having some comedic break if it gets too depressing. They cut out that in the last arc (left Kuwa behind) and it was almost too dark for me. I may not like the humorous breaks when they're used a lot, but without them it makes an anime very dark. Which is a good thing for some - not so good for others.

[And I'm still not saying those breaks in dbz are good - just that I see some use in them for *some* people.]

[Shun]

Yu Yu Hakusho (loved) Seems to be dbz-ish to me...

I hope no one takes offense at this, but for me YYH *is* very similar to aspects of dbz. The difference (again, for me) is that YYH lacks the major flaws/problems I have with dbz. Except for Kuwabara's fights, the action isn't drawn out past the point of dramatic tension (even Yusuke's fight with Sensui was mixed with enough emotional reactions from the others to keep it intense). The focus *does* shift to more minor characters in the middle of some fights, but it's almost always an important scene that's taking place at the same time (flashing to the others to show why they aren't helping Yusuke during the Maze episodes, showing Keiko during Yusuke's fight to parallel the two of them and show how similar they are, flashing to the others to show their reactions during Genkai's final fight with Toguro, etc). There are a *lot* of characters, just like dbz, but even the minor characters are given growth (in half the episodes of dbz). The previous opponents do have a habit of becoming good (like dbz - Piccolo, Vegeta), but it makes sense for them - they were never 'bad' to begin with, merely on the opposite side (of a tournament no less). The fights, as much as they do take up a large part of the anime, vary each and every time. The plot doesn't repeat itself over and over (just think of that plot twist in the final tournament - no one would have guessed how that tournament would end) - there are 'missions' - separate substories with minor fights, detailed tournament style fights (rather like dbz there), and large 'world-saving' fights (sensui - could be compared to cell) - but each one ends with some sort of twist that is nothing like dbz. Even the build up tends to be different if you think of Toguro and Sensui as being the main 'world-endangering' villains.

Pretty much everything I like about dbz can be seen in YYH, but YYH has a lot that dbz lacks (for me) - the characters themselves are so varied (a lot more than comparing Bulma/Krillin/Yamcha as the lackeys) - as 'minor' characters, Kurama and Hiei have at least as much character building as the two main ones. And it's so condensed. Hiei's entire history is told in about one episode, his entire character is defined in 20 minutes to the point where you understand everything about his character. Kurama's history is spread out more, but even his story doesn't take up more than an episode or two, yet it doesn't feel weak at all.

My point, is that yes, I agree YYH and DBZ *do* have a lot of themes in common in my opinion, but YYH is better to me because while it has all the things I like about dbz, it doesn't have any of the things I *dislike* about dbz. And it has a lot that dbz doesn't have - like the romances. I doubt many people would say dbz did well with its romances (Videl - blackmail, rescue-type femininity, bossy female; Bulma - bossy female, arguing, spoiled attitude - with both Yamcha and Vegeta; Chi-chi - bossy, stubborn, fighting, bossy; Android 18 is the only exception and that 'romance' is so fake it's funny - no offense intended). YYH on the other hand has all *sorts* of romances mixed into the story, everything from the main character and Keiko to Genkai and Toguro (wtf - talk about odd romances).

Yeah, I don't mind having people put DBZ and YYH in the same category - but you have to recognize where YYH differs. I think it has even more focus on drama and the characters than dbz does - for all that it's much shorter.

Untill reading that, i guess without knowing it, thats the main reason i like YYH aswell. Though i never compared it to DBZ your post made me realise how much it took what i thought was good about DBZ and ripped the bad from it. Hmmm...analogy time!

When you use a microscope on the genre at 100x you will see DBZ, when you use it at 300x you will see YYH. Although your field of view is shrunk the image is much clearer and detailed.