i love rurouni kenshin!

SQ · Post by SQ » Thu Jun 19, 2003 11:41 am

Wow. I only assumed the stuff with Kenshin because I didn't watch it that much on CN. I did notice they cut some pretty stupid things out (Like kenshin looking down at his nakedness when he stood up in the hot spring)

But I really didn't think it was that bad. >.>

Wow I'm stupid for talking about something I only know subtle things about! ><;;

And yes, I'm talking about the bandai official release.
They took out some minor things that didn't have to do with the story, and then did NOT put them on the "uncut" DVDs. It's only in the first 1 or 2 DVDs, though, so buying those DVDs straight from Japan won't hurt your wallet too much. I personally am not buying them because (1) I have little money as it is and (2) if it doesn't hurt the storyline, and I can see screens of the stuff I'm missing on this website, should I really care?

Anyway, go here for all the info.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 11:50 am

SQ wrote:Wow. I only assumed the stuff with Kenshin because I didn't watch it that much on CN. I did notice they cut some pretty stupid things out (Like kenshin looking down at his nakedness when he stood up in the hot spring)

But I really didn't think it was that bad. >.>

Wow I'm stupid for talking about something I only know subtle things about! ><;;

Yup, see why MAS and I are angry? They are changing the story and to me it ISN'T Rurouni kenshin they are show. Sounds severe, but look at the cuts. Aoshi's men are alive (i.e. he has no motivation), Eiji's parents never died and don't even get me started on what they'll do with Anji and Soujirou.

SQ wrote:And yes, I'm talking about the bandai official release.
They took out some minor things that didn't have to do with the story, and then did NOT put them on the "uncut" DVDs. It's only in the first 1 or 2 DVDs, though, so buying those DVDs straight from Japan won't hurt your wallet too much. I personally am not buying them because (1) I have little money as it is and (2) if it doesn't hurt the storyline, and I can see screens of the stuff I'm missing on this website, should I really care?

Anyway, go here for all the info.

Uhm...I'm pretty sure you're wrong based on this line FROm that site:

"When the Escaflowne television series went into production, a unique problem was discovered. The Sunrise animators and writers had prepared too much material to fit into the allotted broadcast timeslot. In order to make the episodes fit the schedule, a number of scenes were removed."

Basically you're right in that there were scenes cut, but they were not cut specifically for the US release. They were cut when it was aired in Japan as well. It's like any other movie in the states when they cut out scenes and release it. So therefore, both the US and Japanese discs are probably the same...although I'm sure the Japanese discs has the deleted scenes as a bonus...but again, that doesn't mean the US version isn't 'official' or whatever....I DO understand what you are getting at...you just scared the hell out of me like the Bandai people took the Japanese disc and cut things...which they didn't...

SQ · Post by SQ » Thu Jun 19, 2003 11:52 am

Oh ho ho. Try clicking the link "Where to find these Scenes" at the top. You spoke before you looked, Chang. ~_^

Savia · Post by **Savia** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 12:38 pm

All this reminds me of when Disney picked up the Ghibli release license (Mononoke at the time) around the time of Mulan, to ensure that that movie wasn't competing with any other Orientally themed animations, without really looking at what an un-Disney product it was. At least they had the sense to release it properly with a brave attempt at a dub.

Living in the UK as I do, I obviously haven't seen what CN have done to Kenshin. However, if they're not going to acknowledge any deaths, then there are very large parts of the Kyoto Arc that're going to make an awfully small amount of sense.

SQ · Post by SQ » Thu Jun 19, 2003 12:41 pm

The UK has Cartoon Network. I watched it when I visited England.

But if you're talking about the anime lineup.... Whoa.

MAS PRODUCTIONS · Post by **MAS PRODUCTIONS** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 12:43 pm

**********WARNING MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS TO UP COMING EPISODES OF RUROUNI KENSHIN*************************

On the subject one of the most notable edits they made to Kenshin was when Jinai killed himself, not only did they edit him stab himself through the heart with his wazashi (sp) but they also edited out a great deal of his speech to Kenshin. The reason this upsets me the most is because this speech really plagues Kenshin throughout the series, and if you hadn't seen the scene uncut you would have absolutly no clue why Kenshin was going through some of the stuff he goes through. In fact I believe it becomes a key point in Kenshin's training later on. I wouldn't mind if they showed anime on tv, I wouldn't even mind if they edited out blood, but when they change the story by editing content, thats when I take it personally. Especially when its an anime I like. Luckily I haven't been watching too much of Kenshin on CN (mostly because I've already seen the entire series four times) I cant even imagine how they showed Sojiro kill lord whats his name, Im sure they cropped his head as Sojiro stabbed him in the forehead.

Hopefully they never put Eva on CN, that would drive me to actually going down to their Headquarters and physically apply my foot to their heads. We've all already seen how they edit Eva.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 1:27 pm

SQ wrote:Oh ho ho. Try clicking the link "Where to find these Scenes" at the top. You spoke before you looked, Chang. ~_^

PWNED

Although:

"Bandai Entertainment, the U.S. equivalent of Bandai Visual of Japan, did not receive the rights to the deleted footage when it licensed Escaflowne. Therefore, the extra footage is not available on any North American release of the series."

So...there was no possibility for us to get this so I don't blame Bandai. They didn't CHOOSE to not add it or take it out like this CN stuff. Thus, I forgive them

.

But yeah sort of sucks it's not there.

To MAS: I totally agree. That particular scene and the other ones mentioned are the ones I worry about since well...the DEFINE characters and intentions. I think I'd be reaching if I said that this was even 60% of the real show in feeling and meaning.

I'd prefer they just stop now since the show gets A LOT worse. Then again, that's under the assumption they even watched the show before making decisions. I'm stupid to think they would.

In4ser · Post by **In4ser** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 2:01 pm

The only thing I have against the Kenshin OVAs (Samurai X) was that in my belief that they made okita weaker than he should been, in reality he was one of strongest of Shinsengumi (yes they existed and so did Saitou Hajime) some say even the strongest, in the series Kenshin said all of his matches with the captains ended more or less in draws...but in the 4th OVAs where Kenshin fights Okita, it seems like Kenshin would have no problem in defeating him.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 3:13 pm

In4ser wrote:The only thing I have against the Kenshin OVAs (Samurai X) was that in my belief that they made okita weaker than he should been, in reality he was one of strongest of Shinsengumi (yes they existed and so did Saitou Hajime) some say even the strongest, in the series Kenshin said all of his matches with the captains ended more or less in draws...but in the 4th OVAs where Kenshin fights Okita, it seems like Kenshin would have no problem in defeating him.

Yeah I knew they were all based on real folk which makes the show even better and yeah I also read Okita (who is the character-model for "Soujirou" in the TV series) was debateably the strongest...

As for your question, I don't know...I think they were fairly even and then Okita started coughing since he has TB. If that's what you meant about being able to defeat him...I don't think that has anything to do with his swordsmanship. He exchanged quite a few blows with Kenshin and parried a great many of them too...I'd say that's fairly even if you ask me.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 3:36 pm

So yeah, I went over Animenewsnetwork.com to find out the latest butchery CN was doing to one of my shows and found this for Episode 36:

"4) Shishio's tale of his past as Battousai's replacement shortened to remove section showing how he was gunned down and burned alive."

Now before anyone freaks out I fully understand why this was edited out for Toonami, but I argument is only furthered by the fact that they are taking out VERY important parts of the story.

If someone was only watching the show through CN, they'd think Shishio was just this random guy who wrapped himself up as a Mummy, would wonder why he was so angry at the government (i.e. his motives...kind of important eh?) and most importantly that he was Kenshin's replacement. You kind of need that duality thing between him and Kenshin and yet...nope. Gone.

So yeah...this only furthers my points about how much they are changing the story and to me, they should've just not shown it if they're going to change things this much and give an incorrect impression to people.

The rest of the edits can be found here.

(I find it funny that they left in Eiji's parents hanging this time and cut it out last time. What a bunch of inconsistent dumbasses).

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