Animes you dont want CN to touch

Bebop0083 · Post by **Bebop0083** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 9:21 am

ive stopped watching Kenshin completly so im buying the dvds. the only anime i think i watch on there now is Yu Yu Hakusho. why did they have to make it kiddie? it was awesome on adult swim. the only anime i think they had totaly uncut. then again how can anime escape the wrath of CN with out being censored a little. i only use CN to preview the animes if i want to buy them. God, good thing i did cause i would of wasted my money on the Reign dvds blah.

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 9:28 am

Cartoon Network shouldn't play any anime!!! they always fuck it up completely and beyond recognition. Their editing has left me scared for life.
They destroy ALL anime kjlhabivcuhajknbsehfiulsadhvkjfuck

omniinuyasha85 · Post by **omniinuyasha85** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:26 am

Any anime title that is half decent an inappropriate for children who haven't had their balls dropped(just liked the phrase, but it means before puberty for those that don't know)

CN should just keep their shows for american cartoons. Anyone who wants to watch anime should support the title and buy the DVD!

UncleMilo · Post by **UncleMilo** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:12 am

Wow... so much to talk about.

First off, I think the people at Cartoon Network who have fought to get anime on the air should be praised for getting anime on Cartoon Network at all.

However, they should use some care in the titles that they select, because they have little protection from the FCC right now, especially with the unfortunate attitude that all animation is for kids.

I should also point out that Cartoon Network isn't always the place where the editing happens. I remember having to be called in to re-record one of my lines for the "TV Release" version of the show. I had to replace the phrase "pissed off" to "ticked off".

Of course, Cartoon Network has done some dumb shit... most notably, because they aren't showing the opening credits of Kikaider, they keep cutting off the first 2 minutes of each episode... (at least in the OAV episodes)

Now... with that said... I think Cartoon Network should be supported for putting anime on TV. While I buy the DVDs of anime, because I prefer my anime in Japanese to begin with, I think it is important that we do all we can to help support the concept of "animation is not just for kids".

I seldom watch anime on Cartoon Network, but I'll still support it because I know some people have no way of getting anime other than watching the shows on TV.

Think about R-Rated movies... when they are shown on TV, you know they're going to be edited... sometimes just so more commercials can be shown... and so you have to just suffer along and know that anime will be edited if it is put on TV. Obviously if there was an Anime channel (with the same level of freedom as a channel like HBO) then we would be able to see unedited anime on TV.

I know Cartoon Network has really done a good job with the shows they have had (given their own limitations) as opposed to FOX and WB who hacked the shows they had so badly that plots were twisted and shows were just out and out destroyed.

The last danger, of course, when it comes to anime release in the US, is apathy on the part of the anime fans. If you want improvement, you have to take action...

I was involved in 3 different campaigns to get Kiki's Delivery Service on DVD. I was actively involved with demading that Disney release Princess Mononke on DVD with a Japanese track. (Yes... Disney had announced at Anime Expo that the Mononoke DVD would be English only... fortunately, that was not the end result). I was part of letter writing campaigns and I even called the Disney offices.

I also tried to commend companies when they do something right.

None the less, it is important to understand the nature of the beast and try to work out what can be done to encourage change.

If Cartoon Network pulled anime, it would really be a big step backwards. Getting anime on TV is only one step... now that it's there we can improve.
(and I see no contradiction in buying the DVDs so you can watch the unedited stuff and still supporting Cartoon Network.)

-Uncle Milo

MAS PRODUCTIONS · Post by **MAS PRODUCTIONS** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:30 pm

Uncle Milo, I understand all of that, I only wish they would look at the anime first and understand WHAT they are editing out. When they start editing out pivotal plot lines, they are going to far. Before they choose an anime to be put on tv they should watch the entire thing and understand it. I dont mind if they edit out blood or cursing or god even fan service. But when it changes the plot, it goes too far. I know exactly what their thinking is though, Kenshin + huge fan base + incredible dvd sells + samurai story = lots of 12 year olds & money made off commercials.

Now with that said, I really wish they would put anime on FX, they have really lose regulations on editing (by far the loosest for example the Shield). Anyways they can keep playing anime all they want because I will just buy my lovable dvds and ingore their channel, although listening to newbies talk sometime gets annoying when all they've seen is the CN version of the show (this is based on the fact that I live in Fort Smith Arkansas and DBZ is basically worshipped here). Im guessing I know how Garylisk felt when they released Tenchi on CN.

MAS PRODUCTIONS · Post by **MAS PRODUCTIONS** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:37 pm

Damn I forgot to post the anime I found that CN shouldn't touch:

1. Berserk (im sure they wont look at this title, but you never know these days).

slayers1010 · Post by **slayers1010** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:38 pm

There should be an all anime network out there for us. We need it. Cartoon Network is trying but just cant do it with the restrictions of the FCC. Were so repressed here it sucks.

I need an avatar

Satomi · Post by **Satomi** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:48 pm

slayers1010 wrote:There should be an all anime network out there for us. We need it. Cartoon Network is trying but just cant do it with the restrictions of the FCC. Were so repressed here it sucks.

I agree with that. Although there is an anime type of network (can't remember the name), it's only available to those who have satellite or digital cable. Some of us are too poor to get that kind of cable!!!!!! ::huge signs point at her:: While I do give CN credit for putting anime on TV, I hate them so much for killing the anime. Either way, we can't win. The world today has such stupid parents that don't take care of there kids and let them watch anything. Honestly, this world is such a mess even with editted anime. So, why not just play it like it was meant to be. Kids are still going to be exposed to violence. It's everywhere you look.

Now, the actual answer to this forum question. I don't want Lain to be touched and Escaflowne was killed enough on FoxKids. Don't want to see that again.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 3:45 pm

123nc.com wrote:I dont want cn to butcher any more anime than it already has.

I agree with this statement completely. So yeah...any anime. At the same time, I don't mind seeing any anime on Cartoon Network IF they give it the proper respect it deserves. To keep it pure with the original in terms of editing and placing it in the correct timeslots.

As for what has been said, I surprisingly agree with both Uncle Milo *and* MAS. As Milo has pointed out, Cartoon Network has done a fabulous job in terms of getting anime on the air. No one can argue that. They are a big reason that so much money is even being spent on anime by new fans. This is a great thing.

At the same time, I agree with MAS in that the moment they step over the line is when they start changing plot points, characters and so on. This is the case with Rurouni Kenshin. It doesn't even resemble the same show based on some of the edits I've read. Don't even get me started on the one about Kenshin's past...or lackthereof...but of course his past isn't important right? That was sarcasm BTW.

MAS Productions wrote:I know exactly what their thinking is though, Kenshin + huge fan base + incredible dvd sells + samurai story = lots of 12 year olds & money made off commercials.

Sadly, this is exactly what they were thinking. Unfortunately, it is a business and the point is to make money. Sadly, Ninjas and Samurais = $$$ from little kids and ratings.

I think one thing we are forgetting is that CN's bottom line is not promoting anime or to show a show in it's pure uninterrupted form. It's to make $$$. Now although I do appreciate what they do, at the same time, I'm not this naive person that thinks the executives sit around and discuss how they can promote anime or help out fans. They talk about making $$$. They probably don't even watch the shows (obviously with Kenshin since they didn't know what they were getting into) and just make calls based on trends and fans.

So sadly, I guess I'm a defeatist in that I don't see this changing. I guess ultimately I am glad since anime is getting out there, but inside am upset that so many fans are seeing some of my favorite shows in a very distorted view. In fact, I don't even think they're watching the same show since they aren't seeing the things I enjoy so much (in particular, Kenshin...I like his backstory..his motivations...Soujirou's past...his struggles and so on with other characters). So in conclusion...I'm torn between the greater good and my own feelings for a show

Perhaps in time things will become more loose...or at the very least, Cartoon Network (and other networks like TechTV...which is doing pretty good in edits I hear) will at least USE their "adult swim" and not kiddie that up. I find it funny that they have all these warnings and it's made for adults and yet they STILL edit. I find it even funnier that TV/videogame companies now have to take responsibility for other people's kids when in reality it should be the parents who make sure their kids don't watch such things. Funny how stupid parents are the reason our lives are miserable...I guess that's another argument entirely.

As for the original question...I guess I can come-up with a few (although my answer of "any" stil stands):

1) Vision of Escaflowne: I would cry if someone butchered my favorite show. Oh wait...Fox already did. /me cries
2) Neon Genesis Evangelion: I could see this happening since CN wouldn't watch it and would think: "Ooh robots. Kids like robots. Gundam did real well." It would be quite hilarious the edits they'd make and how meaningless the show would become.
3) Berserk: I don't think any TV network would touch this show with a 10 foot pole.

Bebop0083 wrote:ive stopped watching Kenshin completly so im buying the dvds.

Good job! You'll notice how much they changed like Jinei killing himself (which is important), Aoshi's men dying (very important) and so on. It's like watching an entirely different show. Oh and watch it subbed...the voices won't sound as nasally and homosexual.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 5:10 pm

I forgot to mention a very important point with this entire deal:

Look at the name of the channel Cartoon network. Until the United States audience (majority) can accept animation as an alternate form of entertainment for BOTH kids AND adults, I don't ever see Cartoon Network changing their editing practices and kid-based agenda. It makes sense since we're not in Japan where animation is a widely accepted medium of entertainment. In fact animation movies are shown in theaters just like "normal" movies (hell "Spirited Away" is the highest grossing movie over there).

So yeah, until anime isn't considered "cartoons," I don't see anything changing. I mean if you were an (ignorant) parent, you'd probably freak out if you saw a "cartoon" with violence, halfway decent/complex plot and character development (not knowing that it wasn't for your 5 y/o child) right?

Then again, the fact anime is being so widely distributed does help. Perhaps our voices will finally be heard...probably not.