I Still Love Dragonball Z!

[Arigatomina]

Also, you guys do realize the show is almost 20 years old right? I always found it amusing that a company could pick it up and turn it in the next big thing (again..it already was in Japan).

YYH is pretty old as well - I was quite surprised they picked that one up. But age doesn't determine the storyline or characters. Usually the only problem from that is animation style. At worst you can say US fans are 'behind the times' - coming onto 'classics' after the fact. ^_^;;

[Shun]

I don't know what version you've been watching (though I assume it was the FUNimation version) but in Dragonball Z they don't power up for more than a small while, and while Freezer is the true evil of the universe, his intelligence when it comes to things like time (especailly when it involves estimating how much power he has!) is extremely below average.

Uhm....let's see...where and how to answer this. I seem to recall nearly 50% of the TV show being them babbling about power levels and powering up (which is all *NOT* in the manga).

As for what version i've seen. Funimation? Yeah right. I saw Dragonball Z about 10 - 15 years ago in Korea when it was actually "new." So I'm fairly sure I saw it unedited or whatever. Then again, it was awhile ago so maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure someone in here will support me and my claim about it though.

Also, you guys do realize the show is almost 20 years old right? I always found it amusing that a company could pick it up and turn it in the next big thing (again..it already was in Japan).

I would even dare to say that it is over 50%, and thats not including all the other forms of filler they came up with.

As to the statement about freeza, lets get serious. Saying the planet will blow in under 10 minutes and then draggin it to 120-200 minutes ( assuming that each episode is roughly 20 minutes each) is quite a large stretch even for someone with freezas intelegance. The simple fact is they drug it, drug it further, and then ran it into the ground.

[SSJ_Mitsuka]

Hey everyone, thanks for being so cool with me. ^_^

Well, ALMOST every saga in Dragonball Z is connected to eachother somehow, and I think it's all pretty complicated..


First the Saiya_jin Saga
Then the Freeza saga adds to that,
and then the Android/Cell saga connects with a saga WAY back in the early days of Dragonball(The Red Ribbon Saga)
and the the Buu Saga works with the characters more than anything. I think the plot was really cool.


The characters never forget past events.. it's really one HUGE story.. sure, their is a bad guy in each saga but that doesn't mean the plot is the same.. I mean, whoever expected anything like the Buu saga at first? It wasn't a thing like the rest of the show really.. but that's a good thing.. and the characters mature as the show moves along..

I mean Vegeta's character finally breaks loose in the Majin Vegeta/Buu saga.. he tells Goku how he feels about himself and his life.. cmon now, that is some great stuff.

It's really about these characters lives.. I mean if it was nothing but fighting, I would never have liked Dragonball Z.


I hate the dub though, really that's the main reason why most people turn away from the show I think.

ok, i'll shutup now, lol! Sorry if i'm annoying you. Thanks everyone!

[dwchang]

Also, you guys do realize the show is almost 20 years old right? I always found it amusing that a company could pick it up and turn it in the next big thing (again..it already was in Japan).

YYH is pretty old as well - I was quite surprised they picked that one up. But age doesn't determine the storyline or characters. Usually the only problem from that is animation style. At worst you can say US fans are 'behind the times' - coming onto 'classics' after the fact. ^_^;;

100% agree. I have noticed among my friends that I'm the only one who can stand to watch original Gundam or macross. The main reason is b/c I saw it in the 80's and it was "brand new" and I accepted it. They obviously have seen other things and are "spoiled' and expect that level of quality. It's unfortunate since both shows are great, but it's human nature to compare.

I do the same with Speed Racer and Astro Boy (which is before my time).

[Shun]

Everyone has their opionion though, just because you like it dosent meen you should be bothered by those who dont.

I'm not bothered by people who don't like the anime. I'm bothered by people who attack me (and other fans) because *they* don't like the anime. And I don't think there's anyone on the org who can honestly say DBZ fans don't fall under attack in almost every anime debate there is. It's one of the biggest scapegoats I've ever seen. People can hate it all they want, but when they attack other people for liking it - that bothers me.

Oh i was reffering to the post that started this thread on the simple fact that he disliked people saying bad things about the anime, i understand your point of view on personally being attacked for it.

[SSJ_Mitsuka]

but Shun, people in japan wanted more, but Akira Toriyama was getting tired so he let Toei make GT. GT was AWEFUL, and contains absolutely no plot..

True, the Garlic Jr. saga and such was huge filler, and I really HATED it..but it wasn't a part of Akira Toriyama's manga. the fights do last a long time.. but really, I enjoy them so much, especially if you're watching the original version. If everyone really dislikes the battles, why not just fastfoward? lol. Well unless you watch it on tv.. lol..oops..

[azulmagia]

Its not that I really hate DBZ, it just angers me when I talk about anime and the only thing anyone ever talks about is DBZ. It just makes me want to shove some of my DVDs down their throats and tell them to watch more variety of anime. I hate that DBZ, Pokemon, and Sailor Moon are what anime represents in main stream America. *sigh*

I love Sailor Moon...

[dwchang]

The simple fact is they drug it, drug it further, and then ran it into the ground.

Actually that brings up a good point that I can back-up with fact (which I have stated multiple times):

The reason Dragonball Z drags on so much is because it was based on a manga. A manga that didn't always come out with the schedule of the show. Since the manga for a lot of the stories wasn't out yet, the animation studio had three options:

A) wait for the next volume to come out so they knew what to animate storywise
B) drag things on by excessive speeches and powering up
C) randomly create episodes that aren't in the manga (Kenshin did this).

Obviously, they chose B. If you don't think this is enough reason as to why the manga is clean and fairly to the point and the episodes drag on with excessive talking...I don't know what to tell you. That's how it went in Japan and makes perfect sense.

Anyone wonder why people make fun of it by calling it "DRAG-ON-BALL"...that's why.

it's really one HUGE story.. .and the characters mature as the show moves along..

Actually, that's the reason I liked the DBZ manga (and even DB). You see characters go from a kid all the way to an adult and how they mature and change based on the events that occur (in particular Gohan and Trunks). This is one thing that DBZ did well...character development (well for some characters).

[Shun]

but Shun, people in japan wanted more, but Akira Toriyama was getting tired so he let Toei make GT. GT was AWEFUL, and contains absolutely no plot..

True, the Garlic Jr. saga and such was huge filler, and I really HATED it..but it wasn't a part of Akira Toriyama's manga. the fights do last a long time.. but really, I enjoy them so much, especially if you're watching the original version. If everyone really dislikes the battles, why not just fastfoward? lol. Well unless you watch it on tv.. lol..oops..

I dont meen just a certain saga, i meen the whole series has filler creaping between every episode. I have nothing against the manga for i have never even read it and i hear it gets way more to the point.

[dwchang]

True, the Garlic Jr. saga and such was huge filler, and I really HATED it..but it wasn't a part of Akira Toriyama's manga...

That's exactly what I meant by in my reply. That's option C. To understand why Dragonball Z is the way it is, you need to understand the manga industry. It all makes sense once you know that...and more importantly, you can enjoy the DBZ manga