Will we EVER see Yu Yu Hakusho again!?

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:12 pm

Arigatomyna wrote:Sounds like you prefer the pointless cutsy and light comedy anime, if you like the first few episodes but not the latter arcs. In that case, maybe you should stick with Love Hina or Excell Saga and leave the dramatic action/drama anime to the ones who prefer that sort of thing.

That way you won't get bored when they start building the characters instead of cracking jokes. ^.~

WTF are you talking about? I never heard any jokes in that show, regardless of when they took place. All the drama and character development was in the first few epiosodes - you know, the ones where Yusuke is trying to reclaim his body. Everything I've seen after that was DBZ clonage.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:51 pm

the Black Monarch wrote:WTF are you talking about?

YYH, what are you talking about? o.O

I never heard any jokes in that show, regardless of when they took place.

Then you weren't watching the same series. From the very beginning, in the very first episode you have the joke on Keiko with her skirt, the fake 'ear' joke on Takenaka (sp - the teacher who likes Yusuke), the confrontation with Kuwabara (if you didn't catch Yusuke's expression and realize it was a joke and not a real fight, then you need to watch it closer - it was pretty obvious that they never really 'fought'), the entertaining and cheering up of the little boy (tell me those expressions Yusuke made weren't done as a joke - the entire scene is just a comedy cute routine), the meeting with Botan and her joking around about Yusuke's past, the scene where she comments on his death and he falls out of the sky (how could you miss that joke, it's a blatant 'face-fault' anime scene that sends him right to the ground from yards up in the sky - very very vivid joke), then onto the next episodes. The jokes are all *over* the place in the first few episodes.

All the drama and character development was in the first few epiosodes - you know, the ones where Yusuke is trying to reclaim his body.

Impossible. Two of the main four characters the series is about aren't even introduced in the first few episodes - Hiei and Kurama don't come in until after the ressurection, and you learn *nothing* about Hiei's past until the Makai arc - the very last arc in the series. How could all the character growth happen in the first episodes if his story doesn't get told until the Yukina saga and the meeting with the three makai leaders - specifically Mukuro? And how could Yusuke get all of his character growth when you don't even learn *what* he is until the end of the Senui arc (season 3) and into the Makai arc? That right there explains his entire existence - and it certainly wasn't told in the first few episodes. And how could Kuwabara get his character growth when he doesn't mature at all until after Yusuke leaves during the Makai arc? That's when he 'grows up' - and even the deepening bonds between him and Yusuke doesn't take place until they go to Genkai's tournament - right before the Yukina saga. And then there's Kurama - you get a few minutes of his history in the first episodes with him, but you don't learn *anything* about his past until he recovers his Youko form during the Dark Tournament (the second season) - and you don't learn of his dark history until the Makai arc - right after Hiei's is revealed.

Tell me, please, how they could have given *all* the character growth in the first few episodes because somehow I must have missed that.

Everything I've seen after that was DBZ clonage.

What does DBZ have like Kurama and his double nature? Are you going to try and compare him to Goku? Goku would never hire an assassin to kill his partner because he got incompetent. He'd never be as absolutely cold as Kurama was - he doesn't have anything in common with him at all except that he gets a little more serious when he's super saiyajin. And what about Hiei? You could try to compare him to Vegeta, but the entire history of the koorime simply can't be matched with the saiyajins and you'd make a fool of yourself trying to say they did. Who else would you link him to?

Or ignore the characters and just focus on the plot devices. What in DBZ can be compared to the Yukina saga? How about the entire Makai arc? Yes, you can grab the little tournament that ends it, but not the buildup or the storyline that precedes that rather short fight - and what about the ending of that fight? That's like nothing DBZ would *ever* do in a million years. You've seen DBZ - I've read that in your posts, so you know who *always* wins the fights in that anime. Now tell me how the Makai arc can be compared to it? That ending was nothing if not unexpected.

Yes, there are a lot of similarities between DBZ and YYH, but you'd really be failing to watch the anime if you thought they were the same. While YYH *does* have a lot of things DBZ has, it has a *lot* of things that you won't find anywhere in the entire anime of DBZ (dragonball, dbz, dbgt) - things that keep it from being just another fighting anime. Try explaining the romance. It always helps to make you realize how different they are - YYH has an entire genre of relationships that barely pop up in DBZ (and then only so they can have children).

Sorry, but I get the impression you don't know much about YYH at all. And like I said - if you only like the first few eps, then it would be better to stay away from long anime like YYH. And if you honestly *didn't* recognize the jokes and comedy in those first few eps, then you might want to rewatch them and not take things so seriously. That teacher didn't really pull off Yusuke's ear - it was a joke. ^_^;;

J-0080 · Post by **J-0080** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:58 pm

I thought the first few YYH eps were funny o0

In fact everyone of the few episodes I've seen had some funny moments in them.

I never really got to watch much of the show though, some day I might just have to see it through.

madmag9999 · Post by **madmag9999** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:18 pm

i have cable but never watch it. infact im trying to convince my mom to get rid of it and get neflix. so anyway onto topic..
i never really cared for YYH i mean meh its ok i guess its sorta dbzish if u ask me some of the eps were funny/action packed but its to drawn out for me.
and Arigatomyna just ignor the Black Monarch he dose this in every thread iv seen him posting in so far. in the hardware forum there was a thread about cpu something or other well anyway he just kept arguing that hes right and we are all wrong and didnt base it on any facts and iv seen him do this in other places also iv heard from other members that all he dose is argue for the sake of arguing i suggest u ignor him

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:40 pm

Makai? Aren't those the demon things from Urotsukidoji?

Okay, apparently YYH got a hell of a lot better after I stopped watching. I just couldn't stand the characters spending half a dozen episodes wandering through a castle looking for the same damn bad guy with nothing interesting actually happening, and then the fight itself taking at least 2 more episodes to be done with while those zombies on Earth were taking several minutes just to walk a few yards. And what the hell was Botan doing during this time? You'd think that the goddamn Grim Reaper of all people would be able to slay baddies left and right just by staring at them hard enough, but instead she's clubbing them with a baseball bat? WTF?

The only time I ever thought something in that show was funny was when Kuwabara said "I can make it any size I want!," but I don't think that was meant to be funny

You've seen DBZ - I've read that in your posts, so you know who *always* wins the fights in that anime

I've seen only enough of the Dragonball series to know that it gets its name from actual "dragon balls" that exist in the story (and that everyone wants because they're the source of some great yet conveniently vague "power"), and that there are these ugly green people involved somehow. Anything else that I know about it (who the characters are and such) comes from reading other people talking about it.

KitsuNeko · Post by **KitsuNeko** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 1:20 am

What you really need to understand about Yu Yu Hakusho are the underlying themes.You've got death,rethinkig your life,love,friendship,romance,loyalty,and there is certainly some excellent character development. Throw the character development together with the themes,storyline,action,and humor,and you've got on hell of a series! So I suggest watching and paying close attention to the serie before you stereotype it as a humrless rip-off.Just a thought....

KitsuNeko · Post by **KitsuNeko** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 1:24 am

What you really need to understand about Yu Yu Hakusho are the underlying themes.You've got death,rethinking your life,love,friendship,romance,loyalty,and there is certainly some excellent character development. Throw the character development together with the themes,storyline,action,and humor,and you've got one hell of a series! So I suggest watching and paying close attention to the series before you stereotype it as a humorless rip-off.Just a thought....

Had to fix my spelling...^^;

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:18 am

the Black Monarch wrote:Makai? Aren't those the demon things from Urotsukidoji?

Heh, Makai is just the name of the demon world - in the final arc of the anime, almost all of the action/story takes place there.

the Black Monarch wrote:Okay, apparently YYH got a hell of a lot better after I stopped watching.

Yeah, my favorite part of the series is the Dark Tournament arc - it *is* a tournament, but there's a lot of character growth in that section, as well as some nicely angsty scenes and a build on the main romance in the series.

But the best arc in terms of 'general anime' would be the Sensui arc. He's one of those dbz-ish villains in that he's super strong compared to everyone else they've ever fought (a giant leap above what they know - mostly because he's human and they almost always fought demons). But that part of the series is what brings the anime to a peak - so many characters, very unusual relationships and subplots - and something else that I won't go into since it would be a huge spoiler for those who want to finish the anime. Let's just say that arc is the best - the only reason I don't like it much is because Hiei is absent through the first part and useless throughout it. ^_^;;

The last saga really closes everything - all those character holes that didn't get explained are revealed here. I don't like it much because it loses the comedy relief - it's much darker and angstier than any other arc (even the Sensui arc). Mostly that's because they leave Kuwabara behind - and he was the comedy character. It just gets a little too serious for me to really enjoy as much as the other arcs - I'd put it up there with the Kyoto saga of Rurouni Kenshin - some good fighting, nice characters, but darker than the preceeding arcs. I like it, but I rarely watch it.

Anyway, yes, there's a lot more to the series than you get in the first few sub-arcs. And I meant what I said about romance - there are some very strange romances in this anime that really separate it from DBZ - each one gets depth and serves a specific purpose in the storyline. I like that about the anime - it has the action, the angst, the drama, the romance, and characters that I can't help liking. Almost every character (except two) I ended up either liking or sympathizing with. DBZ never did that for me, even though I did like some of that anime.

Kenshin8518 · Post by **Kenshin8518** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:33 am

ryuu_hime13 wrote:I have DirecTV!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!

Yes, I imagine the last few Tournament fights are going to be chopped up in typical-CN style...::grumbles:: stupid little kiddies...all scared of being "traumatized" damn them.

don't you just hate them damn kids... ruining anime... or is the parents??? Either way i only watch anime on CN if it's on Adult Swim or i am bored at the time... and when i'm bored i usually watch Anime Network with "on demand

" That's the greatest invention!!!!

btw: I had no probs with Dish... it only didn't work in the bad weather.... but it had to be either raining or extremely bad.... i only got rid of it for cable b/c i wanted broadband interent w/comcast....

deckofdarkness · Post by **deckofdarkness** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:42 pm

KitsuNeko wrote:I remember in one music video I downloaded,it showed Hiei cutting off part of his left arm...I haven't seen that yet,and I just wanna know why he did that..It was weird

i thought that hiei's arm was cut off by someone that he was fighting.....