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Post by SuperFusion » Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:17 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:words

It is a cartoon no matter what pretty words you surround it with. :roll:

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Post by Tenshi K. Tama » Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:40 pm

Actually if you've heard me mention before elsewhere I started anime when I was either 6 or 8 and then when I reached 10 my mother started to convince me that they were plain cartoons and that I was too old for them.(she didn't get to watch cartoons when she was a child)and so I dropped anime for a year and a half and then I was looking at tv one night and saw InuYasha and how much they cursed and pg13 hentai and bloody action.It was actually a commercial then it said:"They most action packed anime since DBZ,this is not for crybaby kids." I was just sitting there in the middle of November thinking:'what's anime?' So it became December and the following Christmas I got my first and current computer. I went onto the net and typed in 'anime' and it got me:(not the answer that I got at the moment.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime


also the little hints for telling animes and bootlegs are becomeing slim as Americans keeps trying to copy the Japanese.
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Post by kabez » Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:44 am

Tenshi K. Tama wrote: also the little hints for telling animes and bootlegs are becomeing slim as Americans keeps trying to copy the Japanese.
not only americans, but also the French.
They produce oufcourse good quallity and superior anime , like hellsing( is it french right?) ,college fou fou e.t.c.
The fact is that the mahority of their production are hentai, yuri/yaoi stuff, tentacle hentai(you know, the ones with the big centurian alliens, with 45 heads, 356 tentacles...) and many other things.
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Post by Aikiko » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:54 am

Oh, yes. It's also a phenomenon in Austria.
Well, but I'm one of the luckier ones, because my best friends like manga and some of them anime too.

Well it all began like this:
When I was 11 or 12, I didn't have the heart to tell other that I like anime and manga, so I kept it to myself. Sad, but true. But someday when I was talking with a nice girl from my school she mentioned Ranma 1/2 (I was a HUGE fan of it; I still like it quite much ^^) and so I had my first "animanga-friend".
Two years after (I was already much more self-confident), I thought my best friend maybe would like Inu Yasha and she really did. Now she is nearly addicted to manga.
So I felt safe and began reading mangas in school :D and so two other persons got involved into manga.
But there were still many people who said we would be childish, reading comics all the time, so my best friend and I made a presentation (I don't know if such a thing exists in America) about anime and manga.
Well, but it didn't help much. The people who liked anime or/and manga still liked it and the people who didn't... yeah.

Nowadays I am self-confident enough to tell other people what I think but there's one friend of me who don't want to speak about anime or manga if other people are listening, she always says books instead of mangas if we're talking about them, or series instead of manga. I think that's a little sad...

What really makes me mad are people who say that anime or manga don't have good stories but never saw or read one. If they say that they don't like the style or the way of telling a story, it's okay. But it's really arrogant to claim that you are able to tell other people what is good and what's not.

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Post by x_rex30 » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:00 pm

Wikipedia wrote:Animated material which does not fit the traditional conventions of Western animation, such as Japanese anime can also be called cartoons.

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Post by Malificus » Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:13 pm

kabez wrote:
Tenshi K. Tama wrote: also the little hints for telling animes and bootlegs are becomeing slim as Americans keeps trying to copy the Japanese.
not only americans, but also the French.
They produce oufcourse good quallity and superior anime , like hellsing( is it french right?) ,college fou fou e.t.c.
Please tell me you don't mean this Hellsing

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Post by BasharOfTheAges » Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:19 pm

SuperFusion wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:words

It is a cartoon no matter what pretty words you surround it with. :roll:
You're so ignorant it hurts.

Think of a flow chart describing the abstract concept of a vehicle for instance. Now, what are some types of vehicles? Cars, Trucks, Boats, Airplanes. Now are boats the same as airplanes? Are cars the same as boats? Your logic says that they are because they are both vehicles.

Now parallel this with the concept at hand. Animation is comprised of (among other things) American cartoons, Anime, claymation, etc. Now given your logic that anime = cartoons, it follows that anime also = claymation. Again... anyone can see the logic error here.

If you want more detailed information on the subject (A history of Animation and it's many sub-genres) try here.
The page linking to the one above wrote: Animations are not a strictly-defined genre category, but rather a film technique, although they often contain genre-like elements. This section presents an historical overview of these kinds of films, noted for frame-by-frame creation. Also includes claymation (use of clay objects), anime (a style of animation with its roots in Japanese comic books, usually adult-oriented sci-fi and fantasy) or CGI (computer-generated animation). Animated films are often considered kids or family-oriented films, although they may be enjoyed by all ages. See also Film Milestones in Visual and Special Effects.
This somewhat perpetuates the stereotype, but stereotypes exist because it's easier for people to accept wild generalizations over specific details expressed using "lots of hard words."
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Post by Lyviathon » Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:11 pm

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Post by kabez » Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:34 pm

Malificus wrote:
kabez wrote:
Tenshi K. Tama wrote: also the little hints for telling animes and bootlegs are becomeing slim as Americans keeps trying to copy the Japanese.
not only americans, but also the French.
They produce oufcourse good quallity and superior anime , like hellsing( is it french right?) ,college fou fou e.t.c.
Please tell me you don't mean this Hellsing
oops :lol: You 're probably right!
But i wasnt sure either, that's why i put an '?'.
rumors, rimors, rumors... :roll:
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Post by older_gohan » Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:42 pm

I hate to correct you on this Bashar, but even if sub categorize different animations they still fall under the title of a cartoon. The problem your facing is not the fact it's being called a cartoon but the reality that people have a generalization on who cartoons are made for.
Webster Dictionary Definition.

Animated Cartoon:
1 : a motion picture made from a series of drawings simulating motion by means of slight progressive changes in the drawings
Now this would fall under every show that is animated save one kind. Claymation. Since claymation isn't draw, it is made from sculptures. This would also leave out CGI because it isn't technically drawn, it's created on a computer.

Now you have seperated it into three categories.

-Claymation
-Animated Cartoon
-CGI

Anime would entail the last two kinds. It falls under animated cartoon and CGI. You cannot deny the fact that even if we hate to admitt it, anime is still considered a cartoon.

Now that we've gotten past that, we have to further label it to entail what genre of cartoons they actually are.

I would seperate them as such

-Kids
-Teens
-Adults

Now most western cartoons are only for the first group, sometimes the second. Now given there is a few for adult but there really isn't that many from what I can tell.

As for japanese animation, they have cartoons for all three sub categories. The problem you probably have with it being called a cartoon is the assumption by most on what a cartoon really is.

Honestly think back to everytime you mention anime to a person who isn't into it. They automatically think 'Cartoon'. But the problem is they have assumed that all cartoons are made for kids. This happens because of Pokemon, digimon, Yu-gi-oh, and duel amsters. All geared towards kids and probably the most well known anime's in the U.S.

DBZ would fall under for teens and kids. So when you mention a great show like GITS or possibly Hellsing, they assume it's for kids. Why because it's a cartoon and they think all cartoon's are for kiddy's.

So basically it comes down to this. Anime is a cartoon but cartoon isn't not a bad word as we like to make it to be. Cartoon has just become a stereotypical words for something that kids watch when really in can entail all kinds of shows for all ages.

There is the answer.

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