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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Post by wurpess » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:12 pm

Ok, since it's for research and I'm a bit tipsy, I'll elaborate on these posts
wurpess wrote: And I don't see how some of the hentai out there is much different than some of the actual porn out there. I've seen some people in porn flicks who do NOT look like they're 18. Their birth certificate may say they are, but I've seen some who look like someone as young as 14 or 15. Sometimes portraying high school students, or someone otherwise underage. So, how is this much different than hentai manga and anime that features young looking characters?Both are depicting graphic sex with minors, or someone who looks like a minor, but don't actually use any minors in the making. 0.o
hasteroth wrote: There is perfectly legal porn on the web of Pregnant women. It's sickening. But it's legal. So why should drawings of young girls be illegal? I just don't get it. It's not child porn, for all we know the drawings of girls who looks 25 might actually be 12. I've seen it... so yeah. And a drawing of a girl who is 12 might actually be in her 20s (this is more common). One of the more recent girls I've encountered like that was in Wanko to Kurasou, Nadeshiko is in her 20s but she looks like she is in middle school. It's simply illogical. There are far worse (legal) things on the internet than loli H. I mean seriously.
Which really is my beef with the whole thing. I mean, in the regular porn world, participants are only legally required to be 18+, not to look 18+ or be put in roles/characters 18+. And yet, they consider loli hentai, completely drawn and fictional, to be kiddie porn simply because they look underage. And that that is going to lead people to be child molesters.

So, what about teen (meaning ages 18-19, though many such places go 18-25) and twink (skinny, young looking gay guy) porn in the regular porn world? I mean, many places that specialize in that type of thing tend to showcase people who are technically legal, but look like they're in the early to mid teens.

Examples (Should be .org safe):

Found on Google search for 'Barely Legal Porn'
Found on Google search for 'Twink' (Cropped for obvious reasons. :P)


So, supposedly, the people in those pics are 18. They sure as hell don't look it. Not knowing better, I would probably guess around age 13-15 on both pics. The girl in the blue in the 1st pic, I looked at other pics of her, and you could do a basic vector job on some of those pics, and they would probably be barely distinguishable from loli hentai pics. And yet, you could have all the porn pics/vids in the world of her, a real person, and be fine, but get arrested for having drawn loli hentai of fictional girls. When really, in the end, it's all about the same anyway. "Kiddie porn" that doesn't actually use kids. Though, loli/shota hentai at least has some sort of artistic value. Some of the teen/twink porn out there just comes off as legal kiddie porn. Which, imo, would be more likely to attract/create/encourage more pedophiles than hentai manga/anime, since it's real people and a bit more mainstream. And yet, (provided you follow your area's general laws on "adult material") you won't get thrown in jail for having 18+ teen porn, even if the participants look like they're 13. -_-

And I'm sorry, but whoever thinks that lack of breasts and pubic hair means a girl is underage needs to watch more porn. Or at least go to a strip club. Not every flat chested woman in the world feels the need to get implants. Having a thing for flat chested women does not make you a pedophile. And in the adult entertainment industry, it's not all that uncommon to for someone to be "clean shaven."


So in short, looks can be deceiving. Don't judge what you don't understand. Hypocrisy sux. Why can't we all just get along?

and most importantly. . .


WHY'S THE RUM GONE?! :shock:
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Post by hasteroth » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:17 pm

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Post by hasteroth » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:18 pm

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Post by Knowname » Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:28 am

Ishbalan wrote:
Knowname wrote:How is that Christian propaganda sir? Do other religions not prioritize human life? Do they not all try to dictate what is and isn't possible? You should try killing a cow in India some day.
We're not talking about murder. We're talking about the hick cousin-fucking Americans tacking a solution that has nothing to do with the problem. Again.
Well try f*ing a cow in india than! lol that was my point. But as Wurpess points out Americans just like blindly blaming Christianity for whatever problems. Don't blame Christianity blame Canada! Or more to the point religion in general... /rant
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Post by wurpess » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:36 am

Knowname wrote:
Ishbalan wrote:
Knowname wrote:How is that Christian propaganda sir? Do other religions not prioritize human life? Do they not all try to dictate what is and isn't possible? You should try killing a cow in India some day.
We're not talking about murder. We're talking about the hick cousin-fucking Americans tacking a solution that has nothing to do with the problem. Again.
Well try f*ing a cow in india than! lol that was my point. But as Wurpess points out Americans just like blindly blaming Christianity for whatever problems. Don't blame Christianity blame Canada! Or more to the point religion in general... /rant
*facepalm* You missed the point of that part of my post. I was saying that the case happened in the US, not India. The US was founded on Christianity. While, through the years, the population has diversified, and so things have changed to include people of different races and religions. But many of the laws, ideals, culture, etc, are still rooted in Christianity. We claim to promote freedom, diversity, democracy, seperation of church and state, etc, and yet people are still whipping out the Bible when trying to create, pass and enforce laws.
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Post by wurpess » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:45 am

Sorry for dbl post, but to elaborate on what I just posted, I'm not blaming Christianity, and I have no problem with it. But beyond its core ideals (that are just common sense anyway), it has no place in our legal system.
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Post by OzzieAlThor79 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:16 am

Could someone explain to me why I should think it's okay to masterbate to girls that look like their 12-15 years old?

That would help me understand the points of view expressed in this thread up till now.

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Post by Vivaldi » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:32 am

OzzieAlThor79 wrote:Could someone explain to me why I should think it's okay to masterbate to girls that look like their 12-15 years old?

That would help me understand the points of view expressed in this thread up till now.
Can you explain why it's not okay? Presuming nobody other than the person himself was involved? "it's just wrong" isn't a valid answer.

The laws are ment to protect children who could be hurt by this sort of thing. Not morally police the populace.
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Post by wurpess » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:37 am

Vivaldi wrote:
OzzieAlThor79 wrote:Could someone explain to me why I should think it's okay to masterbate to girls that look like their 12-15 years old?

That would help me understand the points of view expressed in this thread up till now.
Can you explain why it's not okay? Presuming nobody other than the person himself was involved? "it's just wrong" isn't a valid answer.

The laws are ment to protect children who could be hurt by this sort of thing. Not morally police the populace.
x2. We're talking about legality, not morality. In my one post, I was merely pointing our what was legal and wondering how that was different from loli/shota hentai. If anything, I think it's actually worse. I mean, anime can make anything and anyone look hot, even to people who generally aren't into that IRL. In the real world, there's only so much you can do, so to think a certain type of person looks good, you would most likely have to be into that sort of thing. I mean, as far as anime goes, yeah, I'm a shota fan, and I'm ok with loli type stuff, but I actually started to get a little queasy going through the teen/twink pics looking for examples for my post. They looked too much like little kids, which I'm not into IRL. And yet, you can legally get off on that stuff. Go figure. -_-
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Re: Thoughts on this story?

Post by OzzieAlThor79 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:44 am

I guess I never understood how fiercly people will defend loli stuff.

Would it be ok if I was using a real picutre of a 12-15 year old? Say one of you all's cousins or sisters?

Saying that one is real and one isn't doesn't cut it (in my ever so humble opinion) as the *intent* is to masturbate to underage children having sex.

I just cannot wrap my head around this stuff being a good thing or it in any way leading to something besides bad things.

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