EVA Ending (MAJOR SPOILER WARNING)

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 4:52 pm

AtomicWeezleman wrote:Hmmm, just had a really amazing thought..........(dum dum DUM!) what if we spliced parts of episode 26 into EOE (the cracking of the glass) as he sorts himself out in the film...

Actually, I thought of doing that months ago. However, the glass shattering occurs well before Unit 01 pops out of Lillith's eye. There is one scene where Rei and Shinji are talking to each other naked, underwater, on the surface of the moon, with a fully clothed Kaworu watching them, and Shinji says something like "What I felt at that moment felt real" or something, and a frame from the "congratulations" scene is flashed briefly. I think the glass shattering and the "congratulations" scene occur just prior to the Sea of LCL (maybe Rei was congratulating Shinji in her own special way after the party...)

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 4:55 pm

the Black Monarch wrote:Actually, I thought of doing that months ago. However, the glass shattering occurs well before Unit 01 pops out of Lillith's eye. There is one scene where Rei and Shinji are talking to each other naked, underwater, on the surface of the moon, with a fully clothed Kaworu watching them, and Shinji says something like "What I felt at that moment felt real" or something, and a frame from the "congratulations" scene is flashed briefly. I think the glass shattering and the "congratulations" scene occur just prior to the Sea of LCL (maybe Rei was congratulating Shinji in her own special way after the party...)

BZZT....

That makes no sense with respect to the entire show...the meaning and well...ANYTHING.

Why did the scene where he's in a chair and all these people are questioning even happen then? Do you think they did this in real-life? It's obviously happening during instrumentality. They even state it in the show.

IIRC before Episode 25 even begins, they explicitely say that Third Impact has already occured and that the characters are going through Instrumentality. Instrumentality and Third Impact is what brings about the Sea of LCL and thus you are wrong..VERY wrong.

Next question.

AtomicWeezleman · Post by **AtomicWeezleman** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 4:58 pm

the Black Monarch wrote:
AtomicWeezleman wrote:Hmmm, just had a really amazing thought..........(dum dum DUM!) what if we spliced parts of episode 26 into EOE (the cracking of the glass) as he sorts himself out in the film...
Actually, I thought of doing that months ago. However, the glass shattering occurs well before Unit 01 pops out of Lillith's eye. There is one scene where Rei and Shinji are talking to each other naked, underwater, on the surface of the moon, with a fully clothed Kaworu watching them, and Shinji says something like "What I felt at that moment felt real" or something, and a frame from the "congratulations" scene is flashed briefly. I think the glass shattering and the "congratulations" scene occur just prior to the Sea of LCL (maybe Rei was congratulating Shinji in her own special way after the party...)

Hmm, its not that i just thought of it, its just that i only just thought off mentioning it, but yeah, there are transition problems.......... but it could happen much sooner in the film (the part where he snaps out of his depresion and get in eva 01) but that wouldnt make much sense.........

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 5:02 pm

dwchang wrote:That makes no sense with respect to the entire show...the meaning and well...ANYTHING.

Why did the scene where he's in a chair and all these people are questioning even happen then? Do you think they did this in real-life? It's obviously happening during instrumentality. They even state it in the show.

IIRC before Episode 25 even begins, they explicitely say that Third Impact has already occured and that the characters are going through Instrumentality. Instrumentality and Third Impact is what brings about the Sea of LCL and thus you are wrong..VERY wrong.

What the hell are you talking about? I think you grossly misread something that I said. The scene with the Sea of LCL (not to be confused with the whole oceans of it at the end) was very much DURING instrumentality.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 5:07 pm

the Black Monarch wrote:
dwchang wrote:That makes no sense with respect to the entire show...the meaning and well...ANYTHING.

Why did the scene where he's in a chair and all these people are questioning even happen then? Do you think they did this in real-life? It's obviously happening during instrumentality. They even state it in the show.

IIRC before Episode 25 even begins, they explicitely say that Third Impact has already occured and that the characters are going through Instrumentality. Instrumentality and Third Impact is what brings about the Sea of LCL and thus you are wrong..VERY wrong.
What the hell are you talking about? I think you grossly misread something that I said. The scene with the Sea of LCL (not to be confused with the whole oceans of it at the end) was very much DURING instrumentality.

the Black Monarch wrote:I think the glass shattering and the "congratulations" scene occur just prior to the Sea of LCL

Perhaps I misunderstood, but what I got out of your statement is that the glass shattering scene took place prior to us becoming LCL...this is where the "sea of LCL" came from yes? Because that is wrong since we had to be in the LCL (instrumentality) for that glass shattering scene to occur (during it).

If you meant something else...feel free to elaborate.

Alucard77 · Post by **Alucard77** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 11:41 pm

People, people simmer down ok. I think we should all agree with Dwchang because he single handedly made me realize the true meaning of EoE as well as the whole series, which I could never quite pin down with words. You truly are a great writer Dwchang and I sulute you for your enlightining post.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Wed Jul 02, 2003 12:48 pm

Alucard77 wrote:People, people simmer down ok. I think we should all agree with Dwchang because he single handedly made me realize the true meaning of EoE as well as the whole series, which I could never quite pin down with words. You truly are a great writer Dwchang and I sulute you for your enlightining post.

So it actually helped? I'm glad...all those words and my fingers typing them....Ack!

I suggest watching the show and movie again with this knowledge...it really changes what you look for and makes it a lot cooler when it all "clicks."

*Liriel* · Post by ***Liriel*** » Wed Jul 02, 2003 7:13 pm

thats a nice ending dwchang but thats 1 theory [about shinji finding his answers and coming back] in many VERY MANY
heres another[this is the one i like, but many refuse to consider it 4 sum reason

]
shinji desides to stay in the LCL, while in the LCL everone is in there perfect world and that part at the end is shinji's world
i can point out a few things that could support this:1st rei [as in death] appears in front of the eva the same as she does for everone B4 they die[sorta] 2nd how did shinji get down from 220,000+miles in the sky 3rd asuka she seems to be a mix of the woman in his life asukas body/ misatos out fit [its the sute she weres under the red jacket]and reis personality

now im NOT say im rite im just passing another opinion but... it does make u think

Daio Kaji · Post by **Daio Kaji** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 12:28 am

AtomicWeezleman wrote:Oh by the way Daio Kaji, the quote

How many people have to die to save humanity

is from Neon Genesis Evangelion Book 7, Shinji says it (yes, he said something useful!) or at least thats where i read it (and thats why its in my sig)

sweeet, thnx

and dwchang, u rok for that explanation, very nicely put once again
and i too knew all of that except for the one thing i've always pondered but never asked
i never really knew what Seele's true purpose was, so i like that stuff about Keel being that guy that lives until the end of the world and stuff, sums it up nicely for me, i feel better now
(hears crowd in distance cheering "congratulations kaji")

Savia · Post by **Savia** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 5:21 am

Good essay there dwchang. I think it's worth saving that somewhere for the inevitable recurrence of this topic at some point in the future

A couple of points (well, mainly just the one) bother me. There is no evidence whatsoever for Keel being the 'Wandering Jew', who was doomed to live forever. Sure he has a wyrd metal spine, but this implies little more than that he is the head of several very 'high-tech', advanced commmittees and societies. I don't have anything against the possibility of him being this figure, but without some more substantial evidence, I think there's not much to back it up.

On other notes, regarding symbolism, a good friend of mine informs me that Marduk (after whom the Institute that finds the Children was named) was a god who required child-sacrifices

Oh, and that 'sandbox' bit... Freudian field-day. The shape of the entire play area is symbolically representative of the uterus etc, IMO. Real freaky stuff.