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Post by HeavyMetal » Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:09 am

FLCL can have no more episodes. It is a complete package and would suffer the fate over an over extended show if more were added.

I suppose a part 2 could be made for when Naota is older, but that could get real wrong real fast.

If six episodes is not enough you are not watching the artistic detail.

The art is the key to everything, small details like symbols on hats, hair styles, attitudes, and background movement create the inner psychological drama.

If you want a real trip try the manga. I image if you're not as strange as me it will not make any sense.

If you don't like FLCL you don't understand it.

The main plot is to defy the norms of society.

Sub-Plots Include:
Adolescence
Explicit Content
Art (including many references to shows like Lupin and South Park)
Rebellion (Rock always inspires that)
and of couse
Transending society the machine of society. Most people become a cog in the machine of society, but Naota transends the mass by becoming part of a machine (Lord Kanchi).

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Post by Daio Kaji » Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:35 am

HeavyMetal wrote:If you want a real trip try the manga. I image if you're not as strange as me it will not make any sense.
yeah, the manga is way trippier, and i like how they added haruko's superior in there, but they gave Haruko in the anime the same costume... unless that WAS HARUKO!!!! OMGWTF!!! MY MIIIIIIIIIIIIIND!!!!

lol, that's actually how i felt just now, i haven't heard the 3 manga vol yet (assuming it's the last) but the manga is even drawn trippey, it's so awesome, but i don't prefer either one, both are crazy and awesome

(remembers Haruko busting through Naota's closet door while his friends are visiting, 'AAHHHH, IT'S THE VESPA WOMAN!!! WHY IS SHE IN UR CLOSET???!!!!'... they use that busting through the door head-first shot for Naota when he finds his dad's carcus and it's almost climbing his back and Naota takes it to the bathroom to get water)
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Post by UncleMilo » Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:52 am

Daio Kaji wrote: and about the Bebop sequel comments, the show IS called Cowboy Bebop, but don't forget 2 things, 1st off, it's called COWBOY bebop, the cowboys are gone, 2nd of all, the Bebop belongs to Jet, and he is done with that life style, he won't go solo, without Spike, it's just not the same... thus the series is over... g'nite! :wink:
First: The cowboys AREN'T gone. There are MANY cowboys in the Cowboy Bebop Univers. After all... a Cowboy is just a bounty hunter... and the crew of the Bebop weren't the only bounty hunters ever.

Second: I think Jet would be able to go on... because his whole life was about not hanging on to the past. He kept warning Spike about the dangers of living in the past. Furthermore... Faye is still on the Bebop... so Jet won't be solo... and you KNOW those two would continue to work together for the EXACT same reason... when it comes down to it... they really only have each other. Faye has nowhere to go and neither does Jet really. If you doubt it... just look at all the times Faye tried to leave and came back... and look at how many times Jet went after Faye rather than letting her fly the coop.

Third: I think a good Bebop sequel would start with Jet, Faye and the Bebop and who knows... if he DID call it quits (as you suggest) we could simply follow the people who buy the ship from Jet...

I think you're simply closing your eyes to MANY story ideas that ARE possible. I think the best sequels are the ones that DON'T rely on just being a pale copy of what have come before... but really move forward

EXAMPLE: I cant think of at least 3 American Sports movies where you have a team of screw-ups who, by the end of the first film, learn to play as a great team and beat the odds and win... and all of them had a sequel where they had to make the team suck again so it would be the SAME MOVIE only bad... when they should have picked up where the last movie left off and see what they could do from there.

If a sequel to Cowboy Bebop was to exist, it MUST pick up where we left off...

but... as I said before... I wouldn't want to see it done unless it was the same team...

I don't see any REASON for making another Cowboy Bebop series... but I certainly see a LOT of possibilities available for one.

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Post by Jonathan02us » Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:48 pm

UncleMilo wrote:
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If a sequel to Cowboy Bebop was to exist, it MUST pick up where we left off...

but... as I said before... I wouldn't want to see it done unless it was the same team...

I don't see any REASON for making another Cowboy Bebop series... but I certainly see a LOT of possibilities available for one.

-Uncle Milo
I agree that they can go and make another whole season for cowboy bebop by focusing on the rest of the members of the team. But i would personally not want them to make another series because i felt that the ending to the series was fine and didnt need anymore additions or subplots. When Spike died, the series was over, i kno there was still jet and faye, but it wont be the same anymore... :( .. so leave it the way it is ... thats wat i think about it (my 2 cents) ..
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Post by Daio Kaji » Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:08 am

UncleMilo wrote:
Daio Kaji wrote: and about the Bebop sequel comments, the show IS called Cowboy Bebop, but don't forget 2 things, 1st off, it's called COWBOY bebop, the cowboys are gone, 2nd of all, the Bebop belongs to Jet, and he is done with that life style, he won't go solo, without Spike, it's just not the same... thus the series is over... g'nite! :wink:
First: The cowboys AREN'T gone. There are MANY cowboys in the Cowboy Bebop Univers. After all... a Cowboy is just a bounty hunter... and the crew of the Bebop weren't the only bounty hunters ever.
i didn't mean to say they were the ONLY cowboys, OBVIOUSLY there are more, i meant that the cowboys from the bebop itself are not there anymore... well spike isn't, neither is Ed though... or Ein... Faye has found a chill spot for now... so Jet's alone, and i don't think he's cut out to be a cowboy anymore... let's leave it at that shall we?
UncleMilo wrote:Third: I think a good Bebop sequel would start with Jet, Faye and the Bebop and who knows... if he DID call it quits (as you suggest) we could simply follow the people who buy the ship from Jet...
..i don't think that Jet would sell the ship, and second of all, by saying that he WILL sell the Bebop (as you suggest) it means Jet won't be a cowboy anymore, so the show can't go on with him
UncleMilo wrote:I think you're simply closing your eyes to MANY story ideas that ARE possible. I think the best sequels are the ones that DON'T rely on just being a pale copy of what have come before... but really move forward
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If a sequel to Cowboy Bebop was to exist, it MUST pick up where we left off...

but... as I said before... I wouldn't want to see it done unless it was the same team...

I don't see any REASON for making another Cowboy Bebop series... but I certainly see a LOT of possibilities available for one.

-Uncle Milo
i'm NOT closing my eyes to what is POSSIBLE, i'm saying that there is no/extremely few ways to continue the series without it being crap

no shit (pardon my french, but it's a very expressive word :wink: ) they can continue the series, they can continue ANY series, but i'd rather they not do it just because they can

i agree with you that there are absolutely TONS of ways to continue the series, but you can't tell me very many GOOD ways to do it

plus, spike dieing is not the only reason that the series can't go on, sure his death makes him unusable, but his life purpose (sort of speak) was finished/fullfilled, the same can be said about everyone else, we know more about Ed, and she goes off to do her own thing now that she is not obsessed with the Bebop anymore, Faye has/is coming to terms with her own unknown/unlocked past and is moving on just as Jet is moving on from his own past, they are all semi-normal people now (or dead as in spike's case..lol, always has to be different :D )
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Re: THOUSAND APOLOGIES FOR 2X POST!!!

Post by UncleMilo » Tue Jan 27, 2004 6:29 pm

Daio Kaji wrote:i didn't mean to say they were the ONLY cowboys, OBVIOUSLY there are more, i meant that the cowboys from the bebop itself are not there anymore... well spike isn't, neither is Ed though... or Ein... Faye has found a chill spot for now... so Jet's alone, and i don't think he's cut out to be a cowboy anymore... let's leave it at that shall we?
Well... I have to argue with you that Jet's not alone. I am fairly sure that is there was a continuation, Faye would return to the only person who really has any value for her now. Faye and Jet really only have strong connections with each other.
Daio Kaji wrote:i don't think that Jet would sell the ship, and second of all, by saying that he WILL sell the Bebop (as you suggest) it means Jet won't be a cowboy anymore, so the show can't go on with him
Daio Kaji wrote:i'm NOT closing my eyes to what is POSSIBLE,
The reason I said that is because you keep making quotes like "without Spike, there's no show. Without Jet, the show can't go on.

My WHOLE POINT was that the show was called COWBOY BEBOP. It's named after the ship... a whole second series could be done with NONE OF THE ORIGINAL CHARACTERS!! Just the ship and the setting. A whole avenue you could go down is to pick up with new people who now have the ship because Jet decided to call it quits... or you could start the show with Jet and Faye (just as season 1 started with only Jet and Spike) and then add new characters.

FURTHERMORE!!! I have said time and time again that I don't think there NEEDS to be a Cowboy Bebop sequel... just that it is a show that could have one and it could even be a good sequel.

(As opposed to some anime, where a sequel is NOT possible at all)

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Post by Twilight_Bringer » Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:57 pm

though cowboy bebop was a good anime... you really can't creat a sequel to it... in the last episode spike dies... or at least thats what i think... and he was the main character... so it's kinda hard... but if someone did i'd still watch it...[/quote][/code]
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Post by Alucard_FoN » Tue Jan 27, 2004 8:03 pm

And you clearly failed to read ALL of UncleMilo's arguments as to why a second series is indeed possible. If you did read it, then you either did not comprehend it, or you need to check your wording again, because saying "They can't make one" implies that there is literally no material with which to work from, which Milo has pointed out numerous times is in fact not true.

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Post by Yukina_Raven » Tue Jan 27, 2004 8:07 pm

Actaully, a second series wouldn't be a good idea. Sure, it's possible, but it would kinda ruin the whole effect of the end, ya know? I would've loved to see an 'Aftermath' episode or something, but the way they ended it was fine. Very powerful and dramatic. It would be completly ruined by a second season.
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Post by Twilight_Bringer » Tue Jan 27, 2004 8:22 pm

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And you clearly failed to read ALL of UncleMilo's arguments as to why a second series is indeed possible. If you did read it, then you either did not comprehend it, or you need to check your wording again, because saying "They can't make one" implies that there is literally no material with which to work from, which Milo has pointed out numerous times is in fact not true.
well maybe... they "can" make a sequel... but it wouldn't be as good as the first... as Yukina_Raven said...

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Actaully, a second series wouldn't be a good idea. Sure, it's possible, but it would kinda ruin the whole effect of the end, ya know? I would've loved to see an 'Aftermath' episode or something, but the way they ended it was fine. Very powerful and dramatic. It would be completly ruined by a second season.

p.s. how do you "really" quote people?... and it's true i didn't really read "all" of the discusion... so i'm sorry if i came into this conversaion without an invitation...
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