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Post by Toecutter » Mon Dec 29, 2003 4:21 am

No, the fact that you think The End Of Eva and Death And rebirth are required to explane evangelions ending.

The End Of Evangelion was Anno's revenge upon the stupid masses that didn't get the end of the TV series. During the chaotic epileptic scenes, there are ACTUAL hate letters from fans who were all 'I DUN GET TEH ENDING!' in those scenes.

Those movies were only necessary if you are a member of the group that Anno deemed stupid
The way I figure it, they should've just minimized the psychological analysis, and stuck with the action. I've made this rant before, but seeing as this is yet another Eva film thread, it's time to bring it back.

I wish more sci-fi series' that have major events would cover the actual incident as it would be seen from an observer's perspective. For example, in Star Trek: TNG's famous two-parter "Best of Both Worlds" (the whole Locutus of Borg thing), they never show you the Battle of Wolf 359. Instead, they show the Enterprise zipping by all the debris afterwards. It isn't until Deep Space Nine's pilot episode (Emissary-Part I), that you see the actual battle, from Sisko's perspective.

If Anno wanted to do it right, instead of just making a show to help correct his psychological problems, he would show Instrumentality from the perspective of an observer (Death and Rebirth, and the opening of EoE). Once Instrumentality took place, he would switch to the content in Episodes 25 and 26. Finally, once Shinji figures out what he has to do, he would've switched to the End of Eva metaphysical crap, and then switch back to the observer's perspective when Asuka and Shinji are first formed again from LCL, and stumble upon each other outside of Instrumentality. That would also give us the answer to the major question everyone's still asking: is the bandaged Asuka the real Asuka, Shinji's preferred version he created as a mesh between Asuka, Rei, and Misato while he was in charge of Instrumentality, or is it all part of a more realistic dream world?

If Gainax were smart, and Anno were willing, they could also rake in some serious bucks by showing Second Impact and everything leading up to 2015 from a civilian's perspective. It would work the same way like the Star Wars saga, in which everything before and after the series would be done in two movies. The films could follow three or four different people from around the world (North America, Europe, Africa, and finally, Japan, for all those ego-centric producers). For the characters to truly grasp what's going on, and to do the typical teen-angst bullshit, the characters would be Misato's age. They would go through Second Impact, the resulting civil wars, the slow rebuilding of international commerce/peace, and all the scientific chatter before the Third Angel's arrival.

That is what Anno should have done with the two Eva movies. It would also satisfy the fans, because they could see how Shinji's version of Instrumentality pans out (who chooses Instrumentality, who goes back to the real world, and if the Earth ever shifts back to an orbit and climate similar to it's pre-Second Impact form).
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Post by HeartbreakerByZep » Mon Dec 29, 2003 12:52 pm

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Toecutter - I have to disagree with you. I don't care how things would look from the perspective of a non-existant onlooker, I care what's going on mentally. That's a huge chunck of what Evangelion was about anyway.
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Post by NME » Mon Dec 29, 2003 2:42 pm

Then you're gonna be walked all over by the kind of people like me, who are here to have fun. You know not take everything so seriously?
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Post by Daio Kaji » Tue Dec 30, 2003 12:33 am

Toecutter wrote:The way I figure it, they should've just minimized the psychological analysis, and stuck with the action...

If Anno wanted to do it right, instead of just making a show to help correct his psychological problems, he would show Instrumentality from the perspective of an observer (Death and Rebirth, and the opening of EoE). Once Instrumentality took place, he would switch to the content in Episodes 25 and 26. Finally, once Shinji figures out what he has to do, he would've switched to the End of Eva metaphysical crap, and then switch back to the observer's perspective when Asuka and Shinji are first formed again from LCL, and stumble upon each other outside of Instrumentality.
first of all, you CAN'T show imstrumentality from the perspective of a viewer... everyone alive and dead is involved, if you DID get an outside view from outside of instrumentality's influence, you'd only see a lot of primordial soup everywhere you looked... maybe it'd glow once in a while... maybe

but as for ur explanation of how the end SHOULD have been... that's what EoE did, they started in the real world to finish off the conflict with Seele and Nerv's power struggle and then they went through instrumentality just like the series did, just not to the extent that the series did it, but they did do the whole mental process.
then at the end, they went back to the real world, because that was the choice of shinji of course, and we end with confidence and love of life and self... WAIT! NO WE DON'T! WE END WITH SOME WEIRD SADISTIC CHOKING SCENE THAT ALMOST NOONE CAN EXPLAIN...
that's where the 'fuck u' comes in from Anno to the people that made him re-package his work
Toecutter wrote:That would also give us the answer to the major question everyone's still asking: is the bandaged Asuka the real Asuka, Shinji's preferred version he created as a mesh between Asuka, Rei, and Misato while he was in charge of Instrumentality, or is it all part of a more realistic dream world?
i don't think shinji had the power to meld people together how he so desired, he only had the power to either give us individual vessels or to let go of those vessels and exist within each other, so there is no way that that final asuka is a 'dreamgril' for shinji... hell, he didn't really have a nice tray to pick from anyways if you think about it... cept Rei, she was all there up there if you know what i mean, the only non-crazy person imo... main character wise.
Toecutter wrote:If Gainax were smart, and Anno were willing, they could also rake in some serious bucks by showing Second Impact and everything leading up to 2015 from a civilian's perspective. It would work the same way like the Star Wars saga, in which everything before and after the series would be done in two movies.
Sounds good to me actually, wouldn't be a bad way to go at it. get actual visuals to what we've already read of but haven't seen in full understandable format, Second Impact mainly. i don't think we missed any part of the "Third Impact"
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Post by Excalibur00 » Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:50 am

I think with the technology of CGI today, they should do something like EVA in CGI rather than live action. I think that everything would look better if it was on CGI rather than live. Like Animatrix or Final Fantasy.

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Post by J-0080 » Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:52 am

Excalibur00 wrote:I think with the technology of CGI today, they should do something like EVA in CGI rather than live action. I think that everything would look better if it was on CGI rather than live. Like Animatrix or Final Fantasy.
They should just let Vicbond make it then.
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Post by Chao » Wed Dec 31, 2003 2:13 am

Excalibur00 wrote:I think with the technology of CGI today, they should do something like EVA in CGI rather than live action. I think that everything would look better if it was on CGI rather than live. Like Animatrix or Final Fantasy.
Square closed their CG movie dept after the failure of Final Fantasy (though they could have just fired the writers...), Final Fight of the Osiris was the last thing they made and no one has got CG that can compare yet.

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Post by Nestorath69 » Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:09 am

First off, you'll wanna re-evaluate that last statement- look at FF7 Advent Children.

Second off, this thread was new about 8 months ago. Why whip a dead horse? I personally think that Kevin Smith would make a good choice for Asuka, and Michael Jordan for Rei Ayanami....

Do you understand how trivial this is to me?

The fact is, I personally think That they could open another window in the world and show a little more in-depth stuff on some of the more esoteric elements of the story. Like shit that was happening 'behind the scenes' as it were surrounding the last few episodes or whatever.

Anyway, I don't care. Stop fighting over something so trivial.
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Post by Excalibur00 » Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:40 pm

Well, what is the point to a live action moive of EVA. We've finished the series with nothing to wrap up but only millions of questions to ask. and the movies didnt help so why make another one to add to the confusion.

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Post by Toecutter » Wed Dec 31, 2003 9:02 pm

What they really need is Stan Winston and James Cameron to design/build animatronic Evas on four different scales:

1) A human costume with animatronic elements, as used in the Alien movies. 2) Animatronic upper/lower torsos the same scale as the human costume, like the Terminator exo-skeleton.
3) A 3' tall miniature Eva, for use in filming battle sequences on a miniature Tokyo-3 set (mainly for blowing up, hacking off limbs, and sequences involving getting thrown around or battered by the Angels).
4) Finally, full-scale combo set/animatronic stuff (like the T-Rex animatronic in Jurassic Park). For example, a partially-animatronic full-size Eva hand, head, and entry-plug set in combination with the other three scaled-down Eva effects could easily be editted into a perfectly-flowing battle sequence.

The 3' miniature would serve for all the big-scale explosions (N2 mines, self-destruct, and serve as a foreground element for showing the scale of volleys of artillery fire from the JSSDF) and any scenes requiring an Angel (CGI, animatronic, or lighting effect) to get up close and personal. The human costume would serve for any pallette or pulsitron rifle sequences, requiring greater dexterity and realism than can be accomplished with animatronics (remember how the exoskeletons in the T2 future war looked firing blanks?). The animatronics would serve for showing any detailed injuries (limbs or heads being ripped off, etc), while still having the Eva engage the target. The set/animatronic full-size stuff would finally serve to give the audience a sense of scale, while incorporating actors/actresses in action sequences (like Kensuke and Touji being put into the entry-plug during the Fourth Angel attack).

CGI, as great as it is, still doesn't flow right. There isn't any of the details of texture, and the motion is still too far off. If you look at any of the major cavalry charges in LOTR, you can tell what is and what isn't CGI, because everything in CGI moves too fluidly. There's no quick, snapping motions in the punches, flexibility in the spinal column, or proper fluid-like transitions between acceleration/deceleration of components. Complex systems don't accelerate the same way all the time, like they do in CGI. Also, each CGI character fights, moves, and acts exactly the same.

If anything can breathe more realism and life into the Evas than CGI, it has to be Stan Winston and James Cameron. Their preference for animatronics, miniatures, and live effects greatly increases the realism of non-existant creatures or systems.
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