anime vs western tv

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Post by inuyashaguru » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:04 pm

i don't really watch tv either...i usually turn it on when i want to fall asleep to take a nap..so what does that say ..hhaha.
they only thing i ever really made time for is adult swim..that's the only thing i watched at college and it's still the only thing i watch now in the summer..generally i'll watch a movie or read rather than waste my time on tv...i've noticed that it seems to anger me...those stupid shows and fake acting..i get to pissed to continue to watch it cuz it's so shitty. so anime and movies are about all watch these days.
plus the fact that anime makes my insides happy :D so of course that automatically makes it win..duh.
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Post by Char the second » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:23 pm

YES BUT THEY STILL SHOW COYBOY BEBOP THE REST IS CRAP
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Post by Char the second » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:25 pm

aaa the good old days when adult sawin was around showing great anime at 1 in the morning awaaaaaaawwaaa i somehow loved it
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Post by rose4emily » Mon Jun 07, 2004 8:47 pm

There's definately some good Western television. There's an unbelievable amount of crap - but, among the thousand variations of "real-world: some lame 'extreme' location" there are a few shows like "West Wing" and "Gilmour Girls" to keep that last spark of intellect burning bright in the vast expanse of murky darkness.

American television animation is definately done with a different aim from most anime. I love shows like South Park, Family Guy, and (setting aside hatred of MTV) Daria. They don't have the kind of depth or incredible artwork that my favorite anime have, but they do have a different virtue: you can sit down and watch any given episode and get a nice, quick laugh along with a bit of social commentary - and you don't have to worry about whether you're skipping over parts of the story or not understanding things because you missed what happened last week. They are to animation what Tetris and Galaga are to video games - something easy to grasp that's great for simple enjoyment and can be picked up and left off at any time. There are also, I should note, some anime that fit very well into this same paradigm - like Azumanga Daioh or You're Under Arrest. You can get more out of them if you see them in order to follow the larger story, but any single episode is also enjoyable in itself.

Anime, because it usually does follow a continuous storyline and often works on the "it'll all make sense eventually" premise, is able to dig far deeper into the nuances of the story and psyches of the characters than is possible for most Western series and films. That's not a result of what country it comes from so much as the format it is designed to fit within. There are some Western stories I can think of with the same sort of depth or detail - like Tolkein's "Lord of the Rings" or Orson Scot Card's "Ender" books, but they don't tend to show up on television because most American audiences don't want to come home from work to digest a complex epic with its own world and intricate details. I honestly couldn't imagine trying to follow something like Evangelion or Haibane Renmei if it was regularly scheduled TV - miss one episode and you are left with a huge gaping hole in the net you need to catch the details in what's coming up.

Films are another matter. Both the East and the West have some awesome films - and, I'm sure, some horrible ones. Don't forget that the West has produced, even in the tasteless culture of recent(ish) years, some real gems like the first Matrix film, Schindler's List, I am Sam, Requiem for a Dream, Edward Scissorhands, As Good as it Gets, and Almost Famous. Not to mention some older classics like Breakfast at Tiffany's and 2001. Then there are some great Eastern films like Kurosawa's Seven Samauri and adaptation of Macbeth, or animated films like Grave of the Fireflies or Mononoke Hime. Can't forget those old Hong-Kong action films that are being so heavily borrowed off of by bigger-budget Western action flicks. Problem is, I think we've been tricked into watching some real crap from wherever it is we live that makes us think our home nation is inherently artisticly inferior. Imagine if you only watched films that won Oscars and remain, after years, as classics or cult favorites. Your perspective would change quite a bit, would it not? That's what we get with anime, the best of an art form that is uncannily diverse in both theme and quality.

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Post by OzzieArcane » Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:47 pm

Rorschach wrote:Heck, practically anything you can get as a video is better than TV, whether you're in the East or the West. There's no schedule to follow, no commercial break, and no station logo.
I agree, I also just don't have time for TV even if it's a show I like most the time. If I watch something be it anime or something else it's usually on DVD. I have Family Guy, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, Samurai Jack, and The Critic DVDs. I just wish they'd get Gargoyles on DVD.

Very few shows with actors have ever interested me, unless they had a bit of a fantasy theme to them which is rare because the average person usually doesn't want to see tales of some person saving the world or fighting dragons. I really liked shows like Hercules, as a kid I did watch alot of sit coms but that was more because I had to then I wanted to. My parents didn't want me playing video games for more then like 1 hour a day. The only sit com I ever actualy enjoyed was Sienfield. It was a show about nothing and they admitted it. Practically all sit coms are about nothing but are any of the other ones going to admit it? No!
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Post by someperson » Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:10 am

Char the second wrote:YES BUT THEY STILL SHOW COYBOY BEBOP THE REST IS CRAP
Very true. Adult swim hasn't been airing too many good things as of late. Wolf's Rain has proven interesting but that's just about it for me(FLCL is another acception). I wonder who decides what goes on AS in the first place. They should hold a poll or have a suggestion box for which animes they should show. That is, if people would actually participate.
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Post by Youkai_Lady » Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:49 am

I like American TV for the most part sure there is alot of shows that suck but the same goes for Japanese TV and if we are strictly talking about animation yea anime leaves western cartoons in the dust... :roll:
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You got it.

Post by HeavyMetal » Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:40 pm

Youkai_Lady nailed it.

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Post by yukimoru » Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:36 pm

Kracus wrote:The majority of anime, I do not believe make you delve deep and think. There are a few here and there. Most are very aparent and easy to pick out after a few episode (going along with your example of law and order). Also, even if they do make you think, what they are trying to make you think about isn't really that 'deep' or meaningful.
You really don't watch alot of anime do you? Or at least a wide variety. Sure there are plenty of anime shows that have alot of deep meaning to them!

:lol: By any chance are you new to anime? Or maybe you watch anime only on Fox or Cartoon Network?
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Post by yukimoru » Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:49 pm

That was a jerky thing to say...sorry about that. :(
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