IS IT ANIME? The Last Unicorn

[AmazonMandy]

aaaa yea ok so wat am i lazy oooo -,-

and omgwtflol apparently 2 lazy 2 type proper english!!1!!one!!eleventyhundred

anyway..

Would TLU be more considered anime if it LOOKED like what its typical of anime...as in stlye? As in, eyes typical of anime instead of the RB style used, coloring, you get it. TLU has a very unique style (as most rankin bass), i just wonder if it LOOKED like an anime to begin with if this would even be debated....

[tomtwilight]

teknikly anime dosnt mater on the type of art work cause our cartoons here would be considered a type of anime in japan anime is not a japanese thing anime is just a shot name for animation *.*im so tired

[AmazonMandy]

teknikly anime dosnt mater on the type of art work cause our cartoons here would be considered a type of anime in japan anime is not a japanese thing anime is just a shot name for animation *.*im so tired

Wow. i SO wish you'd learn freaking english. or at least how to use some punctuation.

As to what i THINK your saying there, no, "anime" is NOT just a short name for animation, its a name for a very specific style of animation. By your definition, freaking Disney is anime. And how you can think any of our crap animation shown in japan would somehow be considered anime by them...thats just not even worth arguing ...

[Kajino Rei]

teknikly anime dosnt mater on the type of art work cause our cartoons here would be considered a type of anime in japan anime is not a japanese thing anime is just a shot name for animation *.*im so tired

Wow. i SO wish you'd learn freaking english. or at least how to use some punctuation.

I love you.
~~~
I'm still with SQ...
Damn the pondering!

[AmazonMandy]

I love you.

Why, thank you, pimp mama! XD

And as much as i hate to say it, (still not taking a side here, i have mixed feelings myself), but its really for the people who run the site to decide what they want uploaded, and what they don't. Its thier call as to whether they want 'semi' anime, or only certain anime, or whatever they want. Heck, tomorrow they could decide its a Naruto only site, and thats what goes. Sorry if that doesn't help much

[Yukina_Raven]

Of course not, got2maskit. I was just being sarcastic. Honestly, I don't agree with that definition at all. it makes me laugh.

what would your definition be then?

My definition? I'm not sure, to be honest. Isn't that kinda what we're arguing about here, what the definition of anime is? It's knowing that that we can truely classify whether 'The Last Unicorn' is an anime or not. However since everyone has their own definition of what anime is, it's pretty much impossible for anyone to agree.

Although I think it's safe to say that we all agree that anime is 'A style of animation developed in Japan'.

[Malificus]

ok tecknicly anime is not just singeled around japan anime is just a way to clasify foren animation the only reason anime has ben singeled around japan is because america gets more japanese anime then from any onther place ok ok good now lets dance

I think anime (and manga) have more to do with thier style than anything else. I'm not saying there's only one style either. It's not like there's a classification of if the eyes aren't big enough it's not anime... (Ive seen western style comics with bigger eyes than some manga...)

I think the reason that everyone accociates anime with japan Is because that is where the most famous titles are from. Any one can make an anime. Say, if an all american team did one, If it was kiddie and lacked a real plot, story, or depth, it would be considered an american knock-off by the hardcore, and japanese by the ignorant masses. If an american team made a good, deep anime, than it would be more likely to be accepted as one. Same goes for any country...

It's all entertainment, eastern or western... It should be judged by style, substance, and purpose.

Although I think it's safe to say that we all agree that anime is 'A style of animation developed in Japan'.

Apparently, we can't agree on that..
But thanks for giving your def.

[Yues woman]

I recently finished my own AMV using The Last Unicorn, and was surprised and disappointed to find that it was listed as being non anime.
Originally I posted an inquiry about this into the site help forum, when Angelx03 kindly showed me this topic was already being discussed here.

Whilst I can understand why there might be debate over this topic, I strongly believe that TLU should be considered as anime.
As people have already mentioned, Animatrix and Vampire Hunter D are both in very similar circumstances to TLU, and yet are allowed on the site.
Yes, some of the Animatrix short films were done almost entirely by Japanese anime creators and writters, others were not, e.g: "Kid".

And yet, once again, this is allowed.

TLU's animation was made in Japan, and in my opinion, it shows. It is a beautiful film which is now considered a classic.
Many people, including myself, consider it to be anime, and rightfully so.
If you look at the credits on the film, you soon notice close to all of those behind the film were Japanese. It was made by makers of anime, even if not written by them.
I'd really like to see this film be accepted as anime.
After all, and I know I'm likely to get a long list of arguments against or explaining what I'm about to say, but this site DOES allow the upload's of MV's made from Japanese video games, The Animatrix, Vampire Hunter D...etc

TLU is only one film, and if TLU AMVs were allowed, I'm sure many more fans would be pleased with the decision, rather than not.

[badmartialarts]

I am not a member of this sites administration, but I can make a very good guess as to why The Last Unicorn is not allowed.

Ever hear of something called a 'slippery slope'? It's not the greatest arguement in a debate but it's a useable one. Basically, if you can prove one thing, you can use it to prove something else, which proves something else, which leads to results that are far beyond the original intent of the first proof.

I believe that the arguement would go something like this: (read it like a chain of different people)

1) The Last Unicorn is considered anime!

2) I want to upload a Thundercats AMV but it's not allowed? You're allowing The Last Unicorn which is also a Japanese animated Rankin-Bass project!

3) Thudercats are allowed, but not Silverhawks?

4) Silverhawks are allowed, but not G.I. Joe?

5) G.I. Joe is allowed, but not He-Man?

6) He-Man is allowed? It doesn't even look like anime! You have to let in the Powerpuff Girls/Teen Titans/Totally Spies/Dexter's Laboratory/etc, etc. etc.!

See how easy it is? Now we have ANIMATEDmusicvideos.com. And that's not the intent of the site's creator....and that's the ultimate end all arguement. If Phade et al. asy it ain't allowed, poof, it ain't allowed. IF they want to ban Digimon too, they can ban it. And Pokemon. And DragonballZ. Etc, etc, etc....

[daggerpunch17]

We are just going around in circles, raising more questions than getting answers. Everyone here has good, reasonable and valid points, and everyone seems to define anime differently. That's the big question we have; it's not just about the Last Unicorn, it's about other animated films that are in the same place as the Last Unicorn, this animation grey area. Do we define anime simply as the style in which an animated film is drawn? Or do we define it by who did the drawing, who came up with the original idea, who the film is targeted at, etc.? Lets not forget the Last Unicorn was a joint production, done by American as well as Japanese companies, so you know, it's kinda half and half.
My main point is that the Last Unicorn should be allowed on this site if there are other shows in the same position as it on this site. If you take down the Last Unicorn, you should take down other pseudo-anime music vids here as well, otherwise it wouldn't be fair.
But yeah, there is also the deal with the slippery slope, which means that if you let one in, you have to let everyone in, so just for convenience, if there is any show that no one can really say for sure is anime, then just to be on the safe side don't include it, which would then exclude other shows of it's ilk. Because, as someone else here said, the point of AMV is for ANIME music vids, not animated music vids. If there is any show that is not anime as defined by the rules of this site, then it cannot be included, nor any other show like it, otherwise this site's purpose will be lost. I hate that the last unicorn is not considered anime by this site, but as it is in a grey area I can understand why they wouldn't include it. I just hope for some justice in that the Last Unicorn won’t be the only show to be excluded from this site. If it comes down, others must follow, as I'm sure there are other shows on this site that are in the same grey area as the Last Unicorn. Otherwise it's not fair. I'm repeating myself, and rambling. I have loved TLU since I was a little kid, and it was I who introduced Yues Woman to it, yay converting is fun.
I propose, to save a lot of trouble, instead of lumping everything remotely eastern into the anime category, we invent a new genre called ‘Pseudo-Anime’, or ‘Panime’. This would more clearly define actual anime and other shows which branched from it, (TLU, shows like powerpuff girls which SEEM to be anime, etc..) so that people won’t get confused and we wouldn’t have discussions like this. Right: we have anime, and Panime, the latter full of grey area shows. Yes, I can create a new genre. Don't question me.
If such a category has already been invented, let me know. I’m repeating myself, and rambling. Stopping now.