Anime is taking over! Good or bad?

Bulghod · Post by **Bulghod** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:50 pm

Kajino Rei wrote: Still don't a downside to anime and manga expanding.
If you're going to hate it because it's becoming "mainstream"...
Then go ahead, people do stupid things everyday.

I still say a downside to the manga expanding is that now companies are going to create Americanized manga, and instead of using certain anime and manga techniques to create new works with innovative and wonderful storylines, characters, etc., companies are going to start slapping chunks of anime stereotypes together into some type of horrible creation that will appease the Pokemon/YuGiOh/DBZ kiddie crowd and generate a huge cash flow, while the "real anime fans" like us will look at it and go, "Oh Em Gee that is a gawd awful atrosity" and in some way prohibit acceptance of anime, manga, and comics, original and decent storytelling by the mainstream society. or even worse, even more of my friends pantamiming the attack movies from DBZ and Rurouni Kenshin.

Kajino Rei · Post by **Kajino Rei** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:01 pm

Bulghod wrote:
Kajino Rei wrote: Still don't a downside to anime and manga expanding.
If you're going to hate it because it's becoming "mainstream"...
Then go ahead, people do stupid things everyday.
I still say a downside to the manga expanding is that now companies are going to create Americanized manga, and instead of using certain anime and manga techniques to create new works with innovative and wonderful storylines, characters, etc., companies are going to start slapping chunks of anime stereotypes together into some type of horrible creation that will appease the Pokemon/YuGiOh/DBZ kiddie crowd and generate a huge cash flow, while the "real anime fans" like us will look at it and go, "Oh Em Gee that is a gawd awful atrosity" and in some way prohibit acceptance of anime, manga, and comics, original and decent storytelling by the mainstream society. or even worse, even more of my friends pantamiming the attack movies from DBZ and Rurouni Kenshin.

You mean Japanase companies creating "Americanized" manga?
Not likely and I would say why but I'm hungry.
*Rei goes eat dinner*
Will state this:
Innovation and lush storylines are what anime and manga is all about.
Ask any of the older Manga-ka and they will tell you.
They've nothing against the USA or Disney but they found the plots and whatnot utterly weak.
Sure, maybe the newer creators may sell their souls to the devil...
But they'll be betraying tradition.
In other words: Dishonor!
Still don't see the inherent downside and that's fine.

Bulghod · Post by **Bulghod** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:08 pm

Kajino Rei wrote:You mean Japanase companies creating "Americanized" manga?

no the other way around. American companies creating manga and anime-like works.

Short of the Wachowski brothers and Charlie Kaufman (don't know how to spell those names right), maybe some other people, there aren't many original writers in the film industry, so i fear that some American company will try to market an anime wannabe show, thus leading into a trend of productions that, while have a few good visual elements of anime, are just horrible horrible shows/movies/what have yuu.
teen titans go

Kajino Rei · Post by **Kajino Rei** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:13 pm

Bulghod wrote:
Kajino Rei wrote:You mean Japanase companies creating "Americanized" manga?
no the other way around. American companies creating manga and anime-like works.

Short of the Wachowski brothers and Charlie Kaufman (don't know how to spell those names right), maybe some other people, there aren't many original writers in the film industry, so i fear that some American company will try to market an anime wannabe show, thus leading into a trend of productions that, while have a few good visual elements of anime, are just horrible horrible shows/movies/what have yuu.
teen titans go

Oh, then the problem is inexistent to me now.
It doesn't matter if others try to imitate.
Thousands may try Impressionism and fail...
However that will never take away Van Gogh’s genius.
Don't even mention Teen Titans and...
Anime in the same sentence.
It's pointless and useless.
I don't care about other countries and their rip offs.
Only Japan matters.

Malificus · Post by **Malificus** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:41 pm

Bulghod wrote:
Kajino Rei wrote:You mean Japanase companies creating "Americanized" manga?
no the other way around. American companies creating manga and anime-like works.

Short of the Wachowski brothers and Charlie Kaufman (don't know how to spell those names right), maybe some other people, there aren't many original writers in the film industry, so i fear that some American company will try to market an anime wannabe show, thus leading into a trend of productions that, while have a few good visual elements of anime, are just horrible horrible shows/movies/what have yuu.
teen titans go

Actually I want there to be american manga (and anime). why you ask? I'm not talking about rip-offs. I mean american's original work, I'm thankful that companies like tokyopop are publishing it (There are good mahnwa from korea (ex Demon Diary), so why can't American's make good Anime/Manga?

Tono_Fyr · Post by **Tono_Fyr** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:26 pm

Moonlight Soldier wrote:I always like catching people when they discriminate against animation. Unless they honestly don't like anything animated in general (rare) I can't say it doesn't please me to catch the hypocrites.

Namely all the people who watch Family Guy, Invader Zim, The Simpsons etc, and then condemn a perfectly good concept for being animated in Japan

http://jacobv.no-ip.com/asf/index.asp <-- Several examples exist on the forums there. Go give it a look, but I will say this for the petition.. DO NOT MAKE US LOOK LIKE IDIOTS LIKE THE REST OF THE ANIME FANS HAVE. And don't act like an idiot on the forum (not saying any of you will, just warning you). The forums are a good place for discussion and debate against idiots and people with minds in thier heads. Give it a shot.

On topic, I get some weird looks from my sister, and a lot of people think I look at hentai a lot (not saying that I don't look at hentai, it's just that people take it to extremes) and It's kinda hard and somewhat uncomfortable to talk about anime and japanese stuff in general with other people around because they automatically assume you like DBZ and Yu Gi Oh. Blah.

someperson · Post by **someperson** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:34 pm

I don't really have a problem with Americans creating anime style cartoons. It's just that they are creating anime style cartoons that are still aimed at a younger audience.

If any American animation companies plan on creating an animated show/movie as thought provoking as Evangelion, Lain, etc. then more power to them (but I highly doubt that will happen in the near future).

Harlock7876 · Post by **Harlock7876** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:14 pm

someperson wrote:I don't really have a problem with Americans creating anime style cartoons. It's just that they are creating anime style cartoons that are still aimed at a younger audience.

I have a problem with it, but this relates more to the state of imagination amongst U.S. entertainers. When was the last time you saw something original? How many movies have recently come out that are remakes or retelling of a story? The U.S. entertainment industry no longer has originality or imagination. They copy everything trendy (i.e. anime) or when somebody tries to be original they fail miserably. Don't be surprised to find a whole lot more anime style cartoons by U.S. companies.

Innovate, don't immitate.

Dave_911 · Post by **Dave_911** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:29 pm

ok there isnt anything to worry about, i did a survey today, in school before the teacher got to class i held up my cowboy bebop manga im reading[so far the anime is much better than the manga] and i announced i was making a poll, anyone who knows what cowboy bebop is raise your hand
...2 hands went up

and in response to the guy who said watching anime because it isnt mainstream is bad, i agree, i watch anime because i enjoy it, but i prefer if it didnt go to the pop mainstream, the only plus side to it is more anime on tv and after the fad went down you could get loads of dvds cheap

spike bomb 11 · Post by **spike bomb 11** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:45 pm

Ya, if your watching anime just because its mainstrem, you have problems.